Board Thread:Classic DMC/@comment-71.182.239.123-20150701235215/@comment-25869229-20150929150421

LegionZero wrote: Let's address a few things:

1)Vergil:


 * 1.1) Vergil had Force Edge for a total of 15 minutes maybe? He would have cought all its trick and feats in that amount of time, and yes the twins do gain near  mastery of weapons when they get them, but that doesn't mean they have every technique and ability off the bat. Its a matter of experience.


 * 1.2) Vergil's relatively small 3:SE moveset is due to PS2 memory/space limitations. They couldn't do more if they wanted to. The Vergil we got in 4:SE is the "definitive" version. Meaning that 4:SE Vergil is how we should measure his full skill/strength/abilities.(Except his need to use SS for Air Trick, but thats another argument for another day/post/thread).

2) Dante


 * 2.1) Dante hadn't seen Vergil's techniques in years. He was also not in possession of Yamato for very long. Another case where it is just a lack of experience. I think we should also take a took at it from a gameplay perspective as well. Yamato isn't a full fledged weapon like Reby, Gilga, or Luci. Its a support type weapon.

3) Force Edge/Sparda


 * 3.1)  Even when partially awakened, Arkham managed to pull out an exponential amount of power from it, enough to overwhelm Dante, and he wasn't even able to completely transform/draw on the blades full power.


 * 3.2) Sanctus was also able to draw on Sparda to increase his strength immensely. Although, much like Arkham, he was limited by his evil heart.


 * 3.3) Force Edge doesn't offer much advantage alone. Vergil at best draws on only a small fraction of its power, and at worst serves as only a physical weapon to him. He couldn't beat Dante because of this. His DT is uneffected by it completely. Thats why he wanted Dante's amulet at the end of 3, because without both Amulets Force Edge is almost useless.

4: Trish


 * 4.1) Your Pokemon analogy is flawed in 1 key aspect. Pokemon are limited for the most part to only be capable of learning attacks of their type. They are genetically predisposed to be incapable of learning most techniques outside of their element. """Trish is not.""" Trish is more like a musician. If she can sing, great. If she can sing and play guitar, she is more well-rounded, prepared, skilled, and valuable in whatever situation comes her way. For example, what if she faces an enemy who absorbs and is strengthened by electricity? With Alastor she is at a severe disadvantage because she has to rely on cutting power and brute strength with Sparda she can still have empowered attacks.


 * 4.2) She has a huge lightning movesetand she seems to prefer to use lightning in conjunction with her brawler fighting style. If she was truly interested in using a lightning weapon, I believe they would be gauntlets. What would be the point of carrying Alastor(a sword) if she prefers to punch and kick things with lightning.


 * 4.3)From her DMC4 moveset we see that she is capable of using Sparda in a variety of ways. The sword has already been awakened and she has had at least 5 years to bond/practice/play with it. It is her prefered sword. Refardless if she can gain as much power from it as Dante, she can draw power from it and makes better use of it than anyone but Dante thus far. The advantages she gains from Sparda are better than what Alastor offers. It is inherently stronger just as a physical weapon. It has better reach, offers more forms and flexibility as a physical weapon. Add in that Sparda seems to like those with good hearts and the intention to help people, she may be able to get more access to its power.

One mistake. After the release of DMC4, one of the developers stated that Lady is 10 years older than she appeared in DMC3. Applying that to Dante would mean he's 29 years old. And in DMC1, Trish says that 'You're [Dante]'s the man who lost a brother [Vergil] and a mother [Eva] to evil 20 years ago'. Eva died when Dante and Vergil became 8 years old. 8 + 20 = 28. According to that calculation, Trish would've had at least one year to train with the Sparda sword.