Thread:LegionZero/@comment-967403-20190212123425/@comment-6769189-20190214112645

JayAaerow wrote:

So you're now arguing that the frequency of a word takes precedent? I am arguing that there is no source corroborating the term "mannequin" as the name of the Secretaries race.

JayAaerow wrote:

How many of the lesser demons got a name mention dropped in dialogue beyond enemy file? Mannequin is lucky to even been uttered by Arius since everything else gets chalked up being a "demon" even when they have a designated name. Arius didn't call them his "secretary demons" but the enemy files say "secretary". And how does it be a metaphor/insult when there's enemies in this entire series called "shadow" and "marionette" among other names? The game identifies them as Secretary. The games identified Shadow and Marionette as their official names. No files or artbooks talk about mannequins in such a manner that we are to believe its a name.

JayAaerow wrote:

I've always (hopefully) said these things should be looked at case-by-case. The Arkham statement you made should actually be looked at because he's explicitly said to be a human trying to acquire the power of a demon in the instruction manual for DMC3. And we can take a closer look at a "You/they are a" and determine if they specify a race. We CAN do that and go from there instead of blanket everything as a "metaphor". Because from what you're just saying, Arkham is not just "Human, Demon" as we have on his profile. And it's part of the character's story because he tried killing his wife to become a demon and failed. And only briefly became a "demon" from the Sword of Sparda and that ties into the game's plot.

JayAaerow wrote:

And to clear it up; I'm not mad about the DMC2 fact with the Protectorate and the Deadly Fortune being canon/non-canon and that perspective. What frustrates me is the fact that I feel the actual reason I attract undoes for certain pages is because simply because one may not like that information being presented. And I come to this conclusion based on the fact that the reasons I'm given are inconsistent and end up being logical fallacies of some degree. I thought we agreed that whatever info came from these other sources be put into their own section or made note of on the appropriate pages

JayAaerow wrote:

Additionally, not only does capcom-approved stuff not work for you. Deadly Fortune has multiple inconsistancies with the DMC4 and the series overall

The strategy guide, regardless of the license(which is only necesassary so that they could use the IP to make this content without being sued)is not written by Capcom writers, and cant even get name of the setting of the game right, and uses termonolgy/makes statements not seen or used in ANY other official media. Sorry, not sorry if i hold what it says far below the product itself or the people who made the product. In fact here is an article that details the making of a startegy guide. They have no close ties to the dev team. They are given a special build of a game that is subject to change and told to log/make sense of everything in it. []

It should say something that artbooks and the most recent super compilation of behind the scenes stuff, interviews with character designers, developers, etc., 3142 Graphic Arts, makes no mention of some of the termonology used in the strategy guide.

JayAaerow wrote: but now even in-game text is a no-go to be looked at. Because the in-game text doesnt suggest what you are saying it does. According to the dictionary a mannequin is something that resembles the human form. [] And a common synnonym is dummy. Lucia resembles a human but is not human.

JayAaerow wrote:

I anticipated a argument between secretary and mannequin. I didn't anticipate having to defend mannequin being used because it's not used nearly as much (even when "Arius's secretary demon" or "secretary" was never used and is commonly just said to be a demon) Secretary is literally the name on the enemy file. 3142GA states the Lucia is a "Secratary demon". It also calls Secretaries Secretaries. []. The term mannequin is only ever used once in reference to Lucia, but is suppose to be her race?

Arius in the same scene said that she was raised as "a soldier" does this mean that Matier and her clan are members of the Soldier race?