Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-6769189-20191202105007/@comment-6769189-20191204183852

KalvinEllis wrote:

In the premise of the first GOW game, Kratos killed the character who had done him wrong the most. It's not about whether Ares wasn't as powerful as Zeus, it's about Kratos defeating his arch enemy in the very first game the same way Dante defeated his arch enemy in his first game. The game is literally called "god of war" and Kratos killed the god of war at the end, who was also the same character who tricked him into killing his family, took his brother away and make him his own weapon of destruction. Dante already did this

KalvinEllis wrote:

Besides, there was no reason to think at that point that Zeus was a malevolent character, let alone Kratos' father, they did that afterwards to continue Kratos' story. That's what you do to serve your main character, you find a way to make more stories for him. There's no reason why Dante couldn't get the same treatment for more games. You are comparing apples to oranges. Dante doesnt have the same options as Kratos. Dante isnt outranked or outpowered by anyone. All of Dante's family is dead. The only person who could feasibly screw Dante over is Vergil, and then we would have the 4th Dante vs Vergil story.

KalvinEllis wrote:

They don't need to use the specific ideas I mentioned, I'm pointing out basic premise of doing something else and Sparda's character is still very much a mystery. Dante barely even remembers him. He honors him because of what he's been told about him, not because he actually recalls what kind of individual he was. The lore treats him as a legend and legends aren't always necessarily what they're described to be, or at least that could be the kind of narrative demons can try to use against Dante. Creating personal conflict for him, because the figure he spent his entire life looking up to may or may not turn out to be who he always thought he was, isn't something we've seen before. Dante spent all of DMC3 disowning his father and demonic heritage. He fought demons when he didnt like his father and he will probably fight them if he finds a reason to not like him again.

KalvinEllis wrote:

I barely remember my father too and other than what my mother and other family members have told me about him, I don't know much about him as a person either. There will always be a certain mysterious aspect of a deceased family member that you never really got to know well and Sparda certainly falls into that category. Its not just Eva and legends that have described Sparda. His students and Matier have made it clear Sparda was nothing but a good dude. Mundus and Beowulf, who are 2 characters who hated Sparda the most, didnt pull "hey Dante your dad was actually a huge piece of shit" card. Mundus even said he had the same light in his eyes as Dante. If Sparda's biggest enemy paints him as an altruistic guy similar to Dante then there is little, if anything, that anyone can say to convince Dante or the audience otherwise

KalvinEllis wrote:

Strong writing isn't exactly what this franchise is known for and they don't really need to retcon anything. The series isnt known for strong writing. Retcons and/or inconsitancies would make it worse. Recall Vergil's motivation went from "get more power at all costs" to "must beat Dante at all costs"

KalvinEllis wrote:

Dante says it himself in DMC5 that he doesn't use his brain a lot, so who's to say he can't fall for some demon plot that wants to paint his father in a bad light to make him second-guess what he's doing and use it against him afterwards. Thats not what Dante said. He said it had been a while since he used his brain that much. It doesnt mean he is stupid or doesnt think. Looking at the anime, 90% of Dante's missions have him just show up, kill demons, and leave

KalvinEllis wrote:

Or discover that something else happened to Sparda after his "disappearance". Why hasn't Dante ever tried to find out what really happened to his father after he never came back anyway. Nonetheless, those are just random examples that if you want to create more stories for him, you can. Sparda is dead. DMC1 said so.

KalvinEllis wrote:

I still don't understand how any of what you pointed out shows the character has no stories left in him. There is no such thing as a fictional character reaching their full story potential unless the TPTB find it narratively convenient to try to make it seem so. There most definitely is such a thing. There is only so much that can be done past a characters initial arc before their stories become repetative, episodic, or both. GOW kinda got around this by pulling a 180 on Kratos' character and shifting focus away from him as the the sole main character, but he is still fighting a set of mythical gods so there is a degree of retread in the new story.