User blog comment:Davidhater/On Devil triggers, Devil modes and Devil forms/@comment-1164563-20190420011615

I want to preface this from saying this is a well-researched, well-thought, and well-articulated post. For that alone, I thank you for your contribution. Now, on to my thoughts on reading this...


 * >So Angelo Credo and Sanctus Diabolica is majin Credo and Sanctus respectively.

Why is this not in the articles yet, actually?


 * >I have more questions to english localisation, but now it is how it is.

I did not read in full the whole mess which can be found somewhere downwards from my own post, but I did see it and I will pitch on this one. I do think English version takes (slight) priority. The developers are Japanese, and for it is developed in Japanese, but in English is how the games are supposed to be viewed. Japanese is the dub here.

That said, some oddities do come from this curious path of development, some oddities which can only make sense if you know Japanese side of the story, and they must be taken in mind as well. I agree on that.

My favorite example is this line from DMC4:
 * Nero: Summoning...? So it was you... who made the gate!?
 * Agnus: Yes, yes, the Hellgate! I created it merely as a reference in substitution for the real Gate, but after utilizing an extremely powerful Devil's Arm, it proved sufficient...

Knowing the context, the characters really should putting both "gate" and "Devil's arms" in plural, but they aren't. I suspect it has something to do with Japanese lack of plural forms.


 * > source on usage of Majin Form

I won't be able to give you one either, but I can confirm it's been around for a while. "Shin Majin" I barely heard of, meanwhile.


 * > I wonder if they were referencing this very wiki.

I would be flattered, and yet, a little disturbed, given the current condition of the site.

All in all, my opinion on this very simple, but keep in mind that I have not, and probably will not read the long chain down there. So if I repeat some kind of mistake or assumption - sorry, I only have so much time to devote to this nowadays.

Merge 'em.

(Shin) Majin, Perfect DT, SDT, whatever, these are all clearly related concepts which grew from each other. Even if, due to an unstylish combo of localization errors and plain bad documentation, they have received way too many different names in the past, they are the same Theseus ship which had its parts swapped along the way. They should be merged.

I am less sure about merging it with the main DT article, but mostly because DT article is a mess, and not because it is not deserving of such. However, this merge into one big SDT article can serve as a stepping stone for potential merge with DT in the future.

Flia out.