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LegionZero wrote: During their night time confrontation, there is no proof that those were kill shots. Its likely they werent since Trish doesnt kill humans. She had a plethora of opportunities to kill Lady and she didnt. Sje also watched Lady take down 3 demons so she had a decent idea what Lady is capable of.

She could have fired a continuous stream of lightning She could have blown up the motorcycle next to Lady She could have destroyed the building with Lady inside, She could have shot Lady in the back/electrocuted her/thrown her off the roof but instead disarmed her. There's also not a single solid proof that she was going easy on her either. Everything you go is based on speculation about "what she could do" but she didnt. We dont have a single comment in which Trish/or anyone else stated that she was going easy on her. Not a single one.

LegionZero wrote: It does make sense because Trish was waiting for Dante to show up and explain who she was to Lady. Trish complains that Dante was late.It does make sense because Trish was waiting for Dante to show up and explain who she was to Lady. Trish complains that Dante was late. No... It doesnt make any sense for Lady to not get hit by a thunder from her palm, yet the roof getting destroyed. You could argue that it would made sense if the thunder avoided her and it was showcased.. but it never was.

LegionZero wrote: Shown not to be the case more than once. Then my other point seems to be more correct.

LegionZero wrote: Or the fact that Trish wasnt trying to kill Lady so she intentionally missed. Trish called Dante after her forst confrontation with Lady and knew who she was and wasnt trying to kill her. You keep saying and saying that, but you really dont have a single proof for it. Just a speculation based on your own personal views regarding characters. Give me a solid statement from someone, anyone that Trish was not trying to kill her. Otherwise we both can take our guesses for eternity.

LegionZero wrote: Holding back means not using the full extent of one's. She was struggling to ground herself properly to pull him up do to the earthquake happening aroumd them. Yea.. I will call this one a 100% headcanon and speculation. Even with everything that happened around them, SHE should be capable of throwing him without any troubles. Yet she can hear that she Struggles, A LOT.

LegionZero wrote: Its called not shooting straight at Lady... her aint doesnt need to be off by miles to not hit Lady. If you rewatch that scene, the thunder went straight into the place in which Lady was. It would have hit her if it wasnt for her dodge.

LegionZero wrote: Watch episode 4 when Dante shows up to the church. There is an entire 2.5 mins of exposition. In which Dante and Trish are stating that sometimes you have to test the true strenght of people you will work with and you dont go easy of them. And also that Lady gave Trish way more troubles than her normal quarry. So... You say that she was holding back. I say based on this that she was going all out to test everything that Lady had.

LegionZero wrote: Never said that. But due please try and quote where i did. Here you've said this about Trish. I kinda wrote "Dante" instead of "Trish above, so my bad. "LegionZero wrote: Trish survived Mundus' death beam. A few bullets wont hurt her."

LegionZero wrote: If you believe casually walking around when at gunpoint doesnt mean that someone isnt afraid i dont know what to tell you. You're trying to apply a humans logic to a demon. Quite frankly you dont know what to tell me in a lot of cases.

LegionZero wrote: The fact is she is a demon who knows Dante's "secret mission" who just elctrocuted the crap out of him, stabbed him, and threw a motorcycle at him. He had no reason to believe that she wasnt an enemy and could have killed her halfway through her sentence. A sentence that she didnt start until after she was up and moving and someone who Dante still had more than valid reasons not to trust and to kill on the spot. And he could but he didnt. Why? I dunno. That's not the point.

LegionZero wrote: The pachinko machines are incredibly loose retellings. Everything that I've said above pachinko machines/and spin-offs still stands.

LegionZero wrote: More grounded? Things look more realistic sure but the feats and whatnot are just as over-the-top as before.


 * Not quite. The only feat Trish have on her own is throwing Sparda sword and struggling with holding V.
 * The biggest feat that Urizen have is the "Shaking the whole earth" according to Nico's notes... Nothing even remotely close to the infamous "creation of universe by Mundus" that is on in his description on this wiki.

LegionZero wrote: We? You are the only person ive seen legitimitely argue that Trish is equal to Lady. Here? That might be true. However I tend to sit in a lot of websites and discord servers... You know the r/DevilMayCry twitter right? I am sitting on their discord server (can link you if you want) they currently have 5k members.. and there's a lot of people stating that Trish has been nerfed to the level of Lady due to new parts of DMC franchise.

LegionZero wrote: V defeated Geryon. Cavaliere didnt fight using all of his techniques and abilities. V collapsed right after. His fight with Geryon.

V said Gilgamesh was a little more than he could take on "right now." What did he just do? Spend a lot of energy fighting Niddgog. Griffon was surprised that V was choosing not to fight Gilgamesh.

Griffon called Malphas "more trouble" when V was healthy. It wasnt until he was weaker and dying that he was unable to fight Malphas. Yet he wanted to rushed on Cavaliere before collapsing. Cavaliere on the other hand was running away. That's example that Cavaliere was afraid of loosing and V was confident in his abilities.

You could argue that V "spend too much energy fighting Nidhogg" if he was actually ... fighting him and not his minions. There's not a single quote stating that V got tired. "Right now" could simply mean that as V, Vergil is not capable of defeating him. That's my speculation and it's just as correct as yours. Hell Griffon even comments that meeting Gilgamesh is not "good". Griffon was surprised that V was choosing not to fight Gilgamesh. But at the same time from a little exchange that we have Griffon was not certain in his

Yet Griffon never called Cavaliere a trouble even when he was on Geyron. That's actually solidifes my argument.

LegionZero wrote: Because Cavaliere cant beat Dante, Trish cant be any bosses? Last i check only God-tiers stood a chance against Dante in 5. Not my point at all.. my point was to showcase that Cavaliere => Trish, but okay.

LegionZero wrote: Except we know from numerous instances that Trish more powerful than humans in every aspect. Ive already explained she wasnt fighting to kill Lady, just stall for Dante to arrive. And I've explained that while she was fighting Lady she went a bit over the top and had a real trouble. Lady was far more than what she thought she will be and she gave her a real challenge.

LegionZero wrote: Watch lesser demons survive hailstorms of bullets in the anime and games. Trish is more powerful that lesser demons. Comparing bullets to Mundus' attacks is absurd If we're using in-game mechanics as feats... Lady can survive a fully powered up attack from Dante's rebellion in DMC 3. If we're using cutscenes from games.. in majority of them, our heroes are capable of destroying demons with one shoot.

LegionZero wrote: Mundus hadnt fully recovered at that time. BTN clarified that. And Vergil wasnt at full strenght either. Yet BTN states that Mundus wasnt capable of fully controlling Vergil,

LegionZero wrote: The man who was wellversed in the black arts, had demonic power, killed people, attempting to become a fullblown demon, and almost opened the gate to hell? He was far from a normal human. The man who was wellversed in the black arts, had demonic power, killed people, attempting/attempted/succeeded in becoming a fullblown demon, and opened the gate to hell? He was far from a normal human. They still were humans physically. If you're talking about not killing "good humans" then say so from the start.

LegionZero wrote: Im going to continue this discussion on a new thread to keep this one topic okay link it.