Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-6769189-20191202105007/@comment-6769189-20191204085246

KalvinEllis wrote:

DMC4 and 5 are generally stories about "the kid with powers that needs to grow up and accept his legacy". I didn't say there were completely identical to DMC3, but it's been there, done that. Nero's DMC4 story was about a young with powers protecting his lover. Nero's DMC5 story about a man regaining his lost pride. In neither game did he "grow up" or accept the responsibility left by his elders.

KalvinEllis wrote:

Dante's story in DMC5 only got bad in the end when his and Vergil's rivalry of different ideologies was retconned as some one-dimensional brotherly fight fest that was all done for Nero's sake, which we talked about already. Dante's story got bad because Vergil had weak motivation. You blame Nero for that but Vergil's motivation/goals didnt change because of Nero. In fact, Nero had 0 effect on either of the twins motivations

KalvinEllis wrote:

Capcom's "Dante fatigue" is on them, not on the character. It is on them, but that just means that whatever they end of giving us with him is narratively subpar.

KalvinEllis wrote:

How can Kratos still be the main character of God of War after he killed the entire Greek god pantheon, but Dante can't get another game just because he defeated the demon king 5 games ago. Kratos' first game didnt have him defeat the strongest GOWverse character by the end. In fact, it took 2 games for Kratos to do that. Kratos didnt solve 90% of his emotional baggage at the end of his 1st game

Dante defeated a demon king in in DMC1 and DMC2 and DMC5.

KalvinEllis wrote:

There are so many other ways to present different challenges for him where his power levels would be of no relevance and he could further develop as a character. For instance what if demons got a little smarter and decided that if they can't hurt Dante physically, they can try to hurt him emotionally instead. After all demons are supposed to torment people, not only serve as monsters, so maybe they could come up with something to trick Dante or lie to him in some way that his father's legacy isn't what he thought it was, His faint memories, words of his mother, and Sparda's greatest enemies and closest allies all describe him as dude who fought for the sake of humans at the cost of his home and own species. Who is left to offer any more insight that what kind of asspull could be offered to legitimize what that character says. It would look like BS a mile away and if there is any truth behind it it would look like a BS retcon.

KalvinEllis wrote:

or just do anything to make him doubt his mission in general. Dante is strong enough in his own convictions and has seen the best/worst humanity has to offer. Same with Hell.

KalvinEllis wrote:

Demons know Dante loves his family so they could find a way to try to use that against him that goes beyond Mundus just creating a copy of his mother or brainwashing his brother and sending him after him. What left is there? How do you go beyond murdering his mother and then using her likeness to murder him? Or torturing/brainwashing/enslaving his twin and making then make them fight to the (seeming) death?

KalvinEllis wrote:

Or maybe they could have another prequel-type game that actually shows us more about Dante and Vergil's relationship when they were younger, or how did they actually grew apart beyond just the death of their mother. From what we know they were closer in their early days, so maybe they could show Dante at some point actually tried to talk Vergil out of his quest for power DMC3 manga pretty much did this. Dante/Vergil thought eachother dead until they met there.

He also tried that at the end of 3 and Vergil didnt care.

KalvinEllis wrote:

instead of just fighting him on principle as DMC5 suggested ... Dante fought Vergil because he needed Yamato to shut down the Qliphoth portal and stop hell from rising on Earth.

Vergil fought Dante because "i have to fight my brother because that is the status quo and i have nothing else to do."

KalvinEllis wrote:

only so Nero could have his forced big moment in the end. There's no reason to believe that more stories can't be done with Dante. If someone like me can come up with more story ideas for him, how come they can't? It only boils down to lack of imagination on Capcom's part and in my view they've done nothing but mistreat the character for so long now. As ive pointed out above, all those ideas require some huge retcons or retreads old territory for Dante. The former muddies up the lore and the latter will make the narrative stale.