Thread:JayAaerow/@comment-134861-20180906125341/@comment-6769189-20180908040525

KrytenKoro wrote: "Dante is FAR above most demons in almost every way." That's kind of what I'm talking about. Dante having strength greater than a human is barely even important to the series. What's important is that he has strength greater than most demons, something that could be described (without out-of-universe assumptions) as "immense strength". Well it is relevant to the series since humans exist but I see your point.

KrytenKoro wrote: My main concern is that presenting it in the way it's currently presented implies that that's how the setting actually works, like Dante would tell someone "I used my <> to pick up that boulder." When...I mean, yes, he is stronger than a human, but the setting doesn't define it in those terms. It's not like Bleach, Naruto, or Marvel where you're going to see someone say "okay, this guy has this power which does this". What it *does* have are the various techniques associated with weapons, and those are more in line with how the setting quantizes things. Except superhuman strength just means that the strength is beyond normal human limits[]. Describing how and to what limits is what the description is for

KrytenKoro wrote:

"Summoned Swords is listed as an ability because they arent weapons like standard guns and swords. They are made from Vergil's/Nero's energy and are a unique form of energy manipulation not used by other characters."

Except that the games do list them as weapons. Just like the Yamato is a weapon for Nero, even though it's incorporeal. The games list them as weapons, more specifically Fire-arms because they function as such, but they are clearly not guns. Pandora is considered a Fire-Arm by game mechanics but a Devil Arm by lore.

KrytenKoro wrote:

"The act of demonic energy manipulation is found across descriptions of many techniques like Air Hike, Charge shots, Summoned Swords, and a couple other ones. Dante once channeled his energy into a motorcycle in the anime."

The descriptions just say "magical energy", in all but DMC4SE Summoned Swords (which says "Created from demonic power", not even calling them energy constructs -- closest is them being "phantom" or "summoned"). They straight up do not say "demonic energy manipulation". Magic/magical has been tied to with demonic energy from the beginning of the series. There are times where demonic energy and magical/magic energy have been used interchangeably Summoned Swords also are closely tied with the DT Gauge in 3&4 for both Vergil and Nero
 * DMC1 Manual calls Devil Trigger releasing the "Devil power" while in-game Nightmare is said to absorb Dante's magical powers(DT). Nobody's enemy file also states that they steal Dante's magic energy(DT)
 * DMC1 manual says that Dante can charge his guns with demon power, while DMC3 says Dante "embellish your shots with a powerful magical touch."

While they do not say demonic energy manipulation, they are different ways to utilize demonic energy Charge Shots channel energy, Air Hike and Summoned Swords are some kind of constructs. Do you have another term that you think is more appropriate?

KrytenKoro wrote: I'd have a lot less of a problem with this if it was (1) much more focused on quoting from sources directly, (2) made it clear the claims are more tentative for stuff based on interpreting a cutscene. and being very careful about claiming that something is a universal, genericized ability rather than something specific to that context, (3) using phrasing like "Superhuman strength" (noncapitalized), or even better "Superhuman physical prowess" and combining all of those "feats", (4) not using "feat" language at all, and (5) not splitting "powers" and "abilities". (1) Sounds good (2) I agree (3) Rephrasing works, especially if the current spelling makes it look like a proper noun. I don't agree with combining different attributes like like speed (4) no mention of the word feats (5) we need some way to identify what are their natural attributes and what are acquired skills