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2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote: Gonna reply to both at the same time here.

DMC4:SE Lady flat out says that the cult that worships Sparda is collecting Devils Arms "just like the ones you keep here". But please do tell me how her implying he has a collection, and all the many weapons stabbed into demons on his walls, doesn't prove he keeps any of them, yet not proving that he doesn't. Proof that those are Devil Arms or that she is referring to anything other than Sparda and Rebellion

If you are going to quote characters, use their actual quotes, not paraphrase

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

It's hanging in a trophy case and he NEVER uses it, but allows Trish to use it. Yes, it's his birthright, but that just means it's his to do whatever he sees fit with. He hangs it up. Its not in a Trophy case, its on a wall mount. He had Force Edge on a wall mount in DMC1 but that was his go-to weapon at the time.

Hung up=/=trophy.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

At the end of DMC3, you even see him beginning his collection. It's not just Devils Arms, but also demons that he preserves. Again, proof those are Devil Arms?

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

He keeps Devils Arms OUT of reach of either ( 3, 4 and anime show this), especially ones as powerful as he's created. Aside from Yamato and Sparda he has never stated a or shown a desire to keep Devil Arms away from certain people. You are applying one statement he made about 1 DA (a very special DA) to all DA's and thats ia fallacy.

Devil Arms dont even show up in the anime aside from Rebellion so i have no idea what you are referencing.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

Don't try to say it's just my headcannon, then say he sells them or something like that. That's asinine. It is your headcanon. There is officially released DMC content that says he sells them to Enzo at his pawn shop. He does this because he had to cut off Enso's arm and feels bad so he pays Enzo to hold them at the pawn shop.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

He has a collection. In 4, he was even going to take Yamato back, but trusted it to Nero. He was going to take Yamato back because it was stupid powerful and could open the Hellgate. At the end of DMC4 that Hellgate was destroyed and he felt Nero deserved it so there was no danger in leaving it with him.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

Sparda also used Rebellion... That doesn't change that both swords were intended for his sons. There is actually nothing in the lore or gameplay to suggest Sparda actually used Rebellion. Even if he did, as a manifestation of Dante's power, it couldnt have existed prior to Dante's conception. Yamato was left for Vergil but it wasnt its original purpose.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

DMC1 has demons that battled alongside and against Sparda that say he's his father's equal and may even be more powerful. So at the very LEAST he IS his equal, but the narrative doesn't hint at him being an equal, it always hints at him being more powerful. Narrative lore surpasses a character's perspective in any story. That doesn't matter here do as both say the same thing. Fought alongside Sparda? Sparda was never stated to be a part of Mundus' army.

Many demons in DMC1 claim that Dante was Spardas equal but DMC1 debunked this when Dante faught Mundus. Dante+Sparda's power could not defeat Mundus and when Dante didnt have Sparda's power, Mundus was going to kill him.

If Mundus and Sparda were equals then Dante+Sparda Sword would have been twice as strong as Mundus and he would have gotten stomped, but thats not what happened.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

Until you actually know the story and details of DMC5, don't try to use it to disprove anything.That's like a blatant display of headcannon, but you try to say I'm doing it? The only thing we know for sure about DMC5 is Nero doesn't have the Devil Bringer and it takes place after DMC2. Until you know the story and details of 5 then you shouldnt be trying to prove/disprove anything either.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

We've been in the Demon World in DMC3. It wasn't that advanced. Have you seen Temen-Ni-Gru? It has rooms with advanced gears and it transforms. Even today we dont have building that shift parts like that. Also it had a laser gun in it. It also has a railway system.

Oh and Geryon had missiles and explosives and stuff and other firearms.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

Dante creates his Devils Arms as he sees fit excluding DMC2 but especially in DMC4. Or are you REALLY gonna tell me an  Angler Ice Frog with feelers that look like nude women, automatically equals a briefcase that turns into 666 weapons, firing lasers, rockets, turns into a controllable thrown glaive like blade, rocket crossbow, etc? Pandora is made from Dagons soul.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

How a centaur-ish flame demon with a giant flame sword becoming a backpack type thing containing infinite energy swords, which remain anywhere Dante places them, even floating midair. and continues to create a pointless rose for him to hold in his mouth? Lucifer isnt made from Barials soul

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

How does a giant plant snake with a tongue that's also the top half of a women, that constants spawns parasitic plant creatues become metal, bladed, puncturing body armor and melee weapons with literal explosive power? Gilgamesh isnt made from Echidna's soul.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

Dude, DMC4 the cult flat out SAYS they can create them how they see fit. The Cutlass enemy? Y'know, the swimming shark like beings that turn into giant swords? Those are considered Devils Arms they created. The same with the living armor. It's in the bloody file descriptions in game. Those are not Devil Arms they are demons and they cannot be altered on a whim. They need time to amd processes to change them.

Agnus says they can create demons by binding demonic power. No one ever said they can create Devil Arms.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

But I'm gonna ignore the second guy being you're just flat out denying crap in the game. We don't know when they were created? SERIOUSLY?! Dante killed the demons and made those weapons right there. You need to watch those cutscenes again because after he kills those demons, the souls that become his Devil Arms were at the base of the Hellgates. Nowhere near where Dante or the demons he killed were at.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

https://youtu.be/-KsGYcSp9Lw?t=185

Dude mouthes "I hope". If thats how you interperate that animation then whatevs but all i see is him starting to cry.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

There's no such thing as "not canon" to DMC. There absolutely is:
 * DMC Volume 1(the novel) is mostly non-canon due to irreconcilable differences with DMC3.
 * The Dreamwave comics have a bunch of differences with the original DMC1 and is not acknowledged as being in continuity.
 * DMC4 Deadly Fortune also has some irreconcilable differences with the game and is also not acknowledged as being in continuity.
 * DmC is not canon to the orignal series.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

Otherwise, they would've erased DMC2. This doesnt make sense. The existance of non-canon material doesnt mean they are going to throw an entire game of the franchise out of continuity. Its also bad for business.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

Not speculation. That was stated in interviews leading up to DMC3's release. Links?

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

Not to mention it was a novel where Dante made it clear that Nero was Vergil's son. IIRC it wasnt Dante who outright stated it. Just because it was in a novel doesnt mean the novel is canon. Most of the stuff from the novel was originally intended to be in the game in the first place, so concepts from the novel being used doesnt make the novel canon.

DMC4:SE had the chance to make a lot of that stuff official to the game and it wasnt, so Capcom wants the events of DMC4 to have happened as shown in the game and not in other adaptations.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

You're saying a lot of stuff that very clearly happened "never happened". Have you even PLAYED the games? Sounds like you're just going through wiki info. Yes i played the games and have thoroughly examined the cutsenes. Sometimes frame-by-frame.

2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

I'm literally doing a playthrough now since I already had DMC4:SE and just got the HD collection on the Steam Autumn sale. So this info is fresh in my mind. I have and played all the original PS2 releases, DMC4 and 4:SE and the HD Collection. I have played these games and watched the cutscenes over and over to break down and analyze them for discussion and even when i know i am right, i double check my own claims and those of others, it would benefit you to do the same.