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  • Hey! My name is Atvelonis, and I'm the Fandom Wiki Manager for the Devil May Cry Wiki as well as an admin on Elder Scrolls. I'm here to act as a liaison between you and Fandom Staff and to help you and your community with whatever you need. If you ever have any questions or issues related to the wiki, its features (editing, templates, bots, etc.), or whatever else, feel free to reach out to me on my message wall or on Discord (Atvelonis#9495) and I can help out! —Atvelonis (talk) 20:05, May 12, 2019 (UTC)

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  • I'm not sure what you mean about "English:" you don't need that many definite articles when you're only talking about one distinct thing with a proper-noun name (You'd use "the sword" or "Rebellion," but "the Rebellion" is redundant, since there is no other Rebellion you could be talking about so you do not need to point to that one), "mirror" is an extremely vague term that sounds more like it has the power to reflect the power of Yamato than that it has the opposite power, and "assimilates himself with his inherent power" is pure word salad.

    As for DSD, saying it's simultaneous doesn't reflect the events in the game. Dante turns into his SDT form after fusing Sparda and what's left of Rebellion (which is certainly not "half" of it, it's the hilt and a little pointy bit of blade), but he doesn't manifest Devil Sword Dante for the first time until he's hovering in front of Urizen, just after Griffon carries Nero away.

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    • "You only really need a "the" on weapon names that are generic (the Shotgun) or sound like descriptions (the Grenadegun or Needlegun)."

      ...like the Rebellion? Which sounds like a common noun?

      "it's way too technical-sounding and "function" seems the wrong word: the function of a sword is hitting things."

      It's a critical plot point of the game that that is not the primary function of the Rebellion. It's not merely a power or ability, either -- it is the purpose and primary feature of the sword.

      "all that having "the" on the front does is make you go "what, as opposed to some other Kalina Ann which is a rocket launcher?""

      You keep claiming this, and it's yet to ring true for me, and doesn't fit with the countless examples of "the" being used in front of weapons and ships both within DMC and in the wider culture.

      "You can say "We set sail tomorrow on Titanic" and it's not going to confuse anyone"

      That's a really weak argument to use, considering what results you get if you actually google "Set sail on Titanic" vs. "set sail on the Titanic", including the content of those results. The context illustrates that "the Titanic" is treated as the more natural phrasing.

      You keep trying to claim that it's unnecessary and confusing, but the game (when referring to the sword in prose, not mechanical descriptions) and the wider English language both illustrate that using "the" is not only natural, but preferred.

      I'll freely agree that the game does omit the "the" in prose occasionally, and that it is not unacceptable to write it without the "the". But if you're trying to make an argument that the article as written was wrong or needed to be corrected, you're not accomplishing that. The fact that the in-game script frequently uses "the Rebellion" should have illustrated from the beginning that this was an irrational quibble to make, and it's boggling my mind that the argument so far has been "there are a few cases where the prose, as well as the technical text, does not use the, therefore it's wrong to use it at all". Clearly the game is comfortable referring to the sword by stating "the Rebellion". Why are we trying to tell the game that it is wrong about itself?

      "The rule you're talking about re: repetition is for creative writing, not documenting things."

      • We're documenting a fictional story in the first place, and describing the events therein. It should have a similar tone to creative writing.
      • They were not the same concept. At all. They were both using entirely different connotations of the word "power", and that is the specific reason why repeatedly using that word in the same paragraph leads to confusion. It's the opposite of clear on the concepts being communicated.
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    • Rebellion doesn't sound like a common noun, because it's associated as being the name of a sword in the lede. "Grenadegun," on the other hand, is the name of a grenade gun. The only way you would have a point here is if it was a sword called "Sword." And yes, in that case you would absolutely have to do it the same way.

      You keep going back to "well the game does it sometimes." So what, it also doesn't do it a lot more times, and you can't make any argument for why it's actually a good idea to attach definite articles to something that is self-isolating aside from appeals to popularity.

      Documentation should never have a "similar tone" to creative writing. You're not trying to wow people with your command of language, you're trying to give who, what, where, why, when and how, as clearly as you possibly can.

      And nonsense, it's the sword's power ("the ability or capacity to do something or act in a particular way") and Dante's power ("the ability or capacity to do something or act in a particular way"), it's exactly the same thing. I mean nevermind that right above what you changed is a laundry list of citations that all talk about Rebellion's "power" rather than its "intrinsic function." Is this one of those "we have to go with what the citations say, except when I don't want to" arguments?

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  • It is stated on the promo site.

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  • "Invitation huh?"

    I created a Discord server for this wiki. Or to get straight to the gist of it, https://discord.gg/XT9ezcJ .

    I know you aren't active here as much as you used to be (or, actually, in the last couple of weeks, at all) but hey. Maybe you can pitch in. Or we can just chat.

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  • So I was wondering. Why am I a top contributor on Dark Slayer? I have no clue how I made one edit and I got promoted to Top Contributor.

    Was my edit on Dante being idle when holding Yamato sound cool enough? What was the reason. I mean I like the praise, just dont know why I was given the position so easily.

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  • Your using the virility Avatar I uploaded, that is so cute!

    :D

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  • If you have a problem with my file names, instead of just going in and tagging all my uploads with file rename sugestions, tell me, what would be a better way of setting up my file names? I'll be honest, it feels like your going out of your way to undo my edits and uploads with the things you do.

    Please, tell me, what can I do to make my contributions better and more suitable to wiki standards? And please, don't try and be an admin talking to a worker, level with me and explain it to me in a person-to-person sort of way.

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    • Oh I know, all about the 400x350px thing, im just saying, his image is far too thin, and in order for both pictures to be part of the character template, we would have to either deal with the table constantly changing when switching tabs, or have both images be way too small in order to keep the template from changing sizes. I figured it wouldnt hurt giving them the same dimensions, if only for the sake of the template.

      and yeah, im glad you approve of the name type. I also applied the "rename image" category to the jester picture since its file name is simply Jester.png.

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    • I'm not sure why the template would be changing sizes, can you provide an imgur screenshot maybe? Using any variation of x350px should put a stop to template resizing. If it doesn't, then the template might need to have a set width added.

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  • I noticed that you pointed out what needed to be done with this page.

    http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/DmC:_Devil_May_Cry:_The_Chronicles_of_Vergil

    Just wondering, must it be "exactly" like the example page? That is an episode for an animated series page, while the Chronicles of Vergil is a comic book. Would you mind explaining it with a little more detail?

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    • They have similar articles for comic book issues, but no, it doesn't need to be exactly the same format -- there's just a lot more room for coverage. We can talk about artistic errors, we can talk about continuity, we can talk about how the book was published, etc.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 01:36, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

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    • Okay thanks.

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