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okay... Edit

The game has been reconfirmed by the 999999th time to be a reboot by NT guy, for how much longer is it going to be listed as an "alternative universe" in here?Elveonora (talk) 18:41, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

A reboot can also be an "alternate universe," you realize, right? It has nothing to do with the classic canon, and starts its own timeline and history that it builds off of. "Reboot" is such an iffy term, but it really only describes going back to the beginning of something to restart it, so in that way, it is a reboot, but it's still an alternate universe aside from the traditional series. There's really no reason to change it, since simply calling it a "reboot" gives the wrong impression that it's negating all that was done before it. Describing it as an alternate universe is the best we can do to clarify DmC's position in the greater Devil May Cry franchise. It's also been said numerous times by other staff that it is indeed a different universe, often likened to how comic books constantly reinvent characters and story elements in different iterations of the same brand. It really is fine as it is. Derekoe|Hot-blooded God of Guns| (talk) 22:34, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
  • you just contradicted yourself in the post
  • reboot and an alternative universe are 2 different things
Elveonora (talk) 00:33, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
It's an alternate universe in that it doesn't connect with the story of the original games. It's also a reboot in that it starts a new story from the beginning. Ergo, it's a reboot set in an alternative universe. Like Derekoe said, "Alternate Universe" a common term used in the comic book industry to describe different stories that utilize the same characters, which is exactly what we have happening with DmC. --Anobi (talk) 05:13, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
I'm okay with that, but it should be also mentioned to be a reboot, I see people to this day confused thinking it to be a "what if" scenario and that in the end it connects to DMC3 or that it's a spin-off, as that's what Alternative Universes mostly are. Neither is it a parallel universe as they aren't connected together.
So calling it an AU is incorrect as "an alternative" would signify there being a choice between both possibilities.Elveonora (talk) 19:46, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
What are you talking about...? An Alternate Universe is one aside from the normally established one we know. What does that have to do with choices and possibilities? Derekoe|Hot-blooded God of Guns| (talk) 00:06, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
People who believe DmC to be part of the initial series are simply misinformed. In the intro paragraph, our article states that the game does not connect to the other four games. Thus, we have already done due diligence in explaining that this game is a new story, and not part of the old one. --Anobi (talk) 02:09, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmIs0DHkJ5s&t=6m24s just leaving it here, hopefully it's gonna be fixed in here soon... do I have to provide statements from developers/producers/directors/whoever works on it themselves or is it enough?Elveonora (talk) 21:00, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
That's two guys chatting about the game, and even what they say is exactly what we have here, a restart to the series and an alternate universe. Let's be definitive abou this, yes, it's a reboot because it goes back and starts over, but it's also an alternate universe because it doesn't do anything to original series, and does not replace it in any way.
DMC and DmC are two different entities part of the same brand, existing in different universes from each other, establishing their own mythos, timeline, and course of events. Nothing about it on the wiki needs to be changed. Derekoe|Hot-blooded God of Guns| (talk) 21:12, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
Just add a single word "reboot" in there and I'm happyElveonora (talk) 21:36, December 14, 2012 (UTC)


Reboot people!Edit

Ok, someone keeps changing it back all the damn time. A "reboot set in an alternate universe" is VERY redundant! Not to mention very poor writing. IT IS A REBOOT! May I remind people that this is -above all- a well documented wiki and not a fan page, the correct term should be applied enough with this useless argumentation. 

ALSO: May I remind whoever wrote this (great job by the way) that "alternate universe" and "reboot" aren't exact synonyms. Further more, if the original DMC isn't active in any media anymore it means that its existance has in fact been halted and replaced indefinetly.

P.S: your video has more evidence contradicting your statement. We both know that they threw alternate universe to satisfy the fanatics. He clearly said restart. Just think about it.

Cross-SAMA (talk) 16:39, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Well, this wiki is a fanmade website, I don't care anymore, they are stubborn and ignore facts. An alternative universe (term of canon) and a reboot (term of canon) aren't the same, and it's the latter. So it's pretty much providing false "information" which is weird, because some folks around here do some great work as their hobby, but apparently not flawless. DmC REPLACES DMC universe for good, that's what reboots do (Amazing Spiderman, Tomb Raider, Batman Begins, Man of Steel etc.) it's not a spin-off like Megaman or Resident Evil have. The thought alone about DMC5 is close to impossible even if they were to co-exist, since they want another "devil may cry" game out by 2015, that would be 7 years later when it's long forgotten.

The reason for DMC5's non-existence is the reason for DmC's existence, they could either had the series cancelled due to low sales and mediocrity in terms of overall quality, but that would have been a waste, so they decided to give the IP one more chance, and I assure you that if it won't sell, it's gonna end like Dino Crisis series and other for decade inactive ones.

But on topic, it should say: "DmC: Devil May Cry is a reboot of the Devil May Cry series" no "alternative universe" shit. It's no need to mention that it's not connected since no reboots are with the previous or even future works.Elveonora (talk) 21:05, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Whether we say "Reboot" or "Alternate Universe" is fine with me either way: What does annoy me is how people insist that Capcom is going to never-ever in a million-billion years go back to the original DMC story, at all, for any reason, because they let Ninja Theory make a new Dante. That's just ignorant. Do we know if Capcom is going to release a real DMC5? No, but that doesn't mean they won't. It's kind of a Shrodinger's Cat deal. Really, for all we know, the reboot could be a total flop, and Capcom could go back to the version that actually makes money for them. So, yeah. Call this game what you like; it doesn't change the fact that Capcom could, if they wanted to, continue to tell the story of Classic Dante. --Anobi (talk) 06:05, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
DmC does not replace DMC. You have no proof to say otherwise.
DMC can continue whenever the hell they want it to. Mega Man 9 didn't come out for a decade after Mega Man 8, where Capcom had focused its efforts on any myriad of other Mega Man titles. Fallout 3 came out a decade after Fallout 2 as well. Both of these came back with critical acclaim and were incredibly popular, despite your supposed guidelines of "being forgotten." Just because you say "they won't go back to it because it will have been too long," based on some arbitrary timeframe doesn't make it true, and anything born from that obtuse thought process does not belong on this wiki. Capcom has continuously said that the classic series has not been abandoned! Get it through your thick goddamn head. Until you have definitive proof of what you keep saying, and not some bullshit contrivances, just let it go.
It's been constantly called a reboot, and it has been consistently explained as an alternate universe. It fulfills both of those criteria, as it starts over, and is also not part of existing canon, as it creates its own. Normally something like this would seek to completely overwrite what came before it, but with them constantly reminding us that it's an alternate universe, they are consistently confirming that the classic DMC series is not being replaced, overwritten, or otherwise abandoned in any way. It is STILL THERE, existing alongside the new DmC. There's no retconning because it's its own universe. And what oh what will DmC be referred to as if and when DMC5 comes out? Or, take it a step further, out of the realm of possibility, and realize that both DmC and DMCs exist now. What does that make them? Different universes, right? God, the best term I actually ever heard used to describe DmC, from Tameem's mouth, is "retelling." Maybe we should just be using that instead, and avoid all this fucking idiocy. Derekoe|Hot-blooded God of Guns| (talk) 09:31, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
@Anobi, that would deny a reboot's purpose. And "if they wanted" but they don't, that's why DmC exists.
@Derek, true, DMC may continue whanever they want to, just like they can make it an RPG or a Racing series if they wish so. About the time distance, you can't compare Megaman with Devil May Cry, the former isn't as important to them as it is for fans, really. Tho they made it clear that they would like to and want to release a new installment to their mainstream titles every 2-3 years, not 7.
You can't use Megaman as an example as those are spin-offs, DmC isn't a spin-off, never was called such nor hinted to be.
Also "rebirth, new origin story, retelling" are all derived terms from reboot, meaning the same thing.
So you agree and are aware that they say it's a reboot, yet it doesn't reboot DMC?
Also you got it wrong, DmC has been the most commonly said to be a reboot and SET in an alternative universe (to make it clear to dumbasses that this one is a different character, new Dante), not being an alternative universe.
You keep contradicting yourself... "it starts over" then how come doesn't it replace DMC? How is it going to be called once DMC5 comes out? The same, cause it won't come out. But let's say it will, and DmC: Devil May Cry will still be referred to as a reboot of Devil May Cry series with a sequel (DMC5) released, LOL
So either the guys at Capcom and NT do NOT know the terms they are using, or ur confusedElveonora (talk) 00:00, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
megama had a reboot with the nt warrior games: separate continuity exploring similar themes, but wholly irreconcilable with the classic series. Both continuities continuedto receive coverage. To my knowledge, mvc3 wasn't even all that long ago, and it had classic dmc characters. This is a alternate continuity/setting that has the potential to be continued alongside the original series, just like megaman or final fantasy or digimon or transformers

(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 20:06, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

also, I don't have the time to write out a full explanation, but elvy, you don't understand the terms being used, and ether way your attitude is uncalled for.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 20:08, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Immaturity with DmC pageEdit

Keep frigging profesional.

Who ever is writing negative comments on this, please get over it.

Seriously, I hate the change as much as you, but come on, we don't see people sucking Classic Dante's dick on the other game pages... Biozim98 (talk) 07:34, December 31, 2012 (UTC)Biozim98

A soundtrack? Edit

I really love the music for this one,and barely is beaten by Devils Never Cry.I was wondering if everyone has any idea of a release for a soundtrack,or if there will even be one?Akay4 (talk) 22:20, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

No Redemption/Combichrist, DmC: Devil May Cry Soundtrack, DmC: Devil May Cry Noisia Soundtrack. Here you go.!

DmC Protection Edit

I think for the time being we should tighten the locks on all DmC-related articles, because the bullshit isn't gonna stop anytime soon. It may have been too optimistic to think it would subside with the game's release, but it's really just gotten worse... Derekoe|Hot-blooded God of Guns| (talk) 09:15, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

That's what happens when a company takes a perfectly good game series and drags it though the mud. Seriously, Capcom should have just renamed this thing and released it as its own entity. The only relation it really has to DMC is the names. --Anobi (talk) 02:51, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

On a more serious note, though, I'm not sure of the best way to protect said articles. I'd probably do some sort of cascading protection off of either this page or the NTDMC template. Anyone got a better idea? -- Anobi (talk) 06:08, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, the DmC stuff is the stuff that new editors are going to want to edit. Protecting them to admin level (which is the only thing that would have stopped our trolls earlier) is just going to kill whatever boost we would have gotten from the game coming out. This might be something where we just need to keep an eye on it and temporarily protect the page when shit starts going down.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 07:28, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Why don't we just semi-protect it? Sure, if the accounts are made a month or two in advance it won't stop them, but it will halt the newfag accounts. DR 16:05, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

You're right, I misunderstood how semi-protect works. Still, the majority of the anon and newbie edits to DmC articles are legit, and I feel that blocking them would murder the growth of the userbase just to chase off a few bad apples. Still, it's your wiki and up to you guys.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 01:57, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
Should we semi-protect the DmC pages?
 
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The poll was created at 04:31 on February 13, 2013, and so far 17 people voted.

-- Anobi (talk) 04:31, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

4 to 0, looks like we'll be putting some protective measures in place. I'll get started with the DmC articles that seem to be the most heavily vandilized, and we can see if we need to protect more from there. -- Anobi (talk) 03:39, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Could there still be a devil may cry 5? Edit

I mean its technically possible as the original series still has conflict to resolve myteries to explore. -Unsigned-

DmC has the header "Devil May Cry 5" on the PC. But this header MUST be a leftover of the initial development phase (When Ninja Theory announced it was a prequel that would cover Dante's teens, before Capcom made the announcement that it was a reboot with no ties of the existing universe). Unlike Megaman & Bass case (A leftover indicating it is Megaman 8.5), this one holds NO TIES with the main storyline of Devil May Cry.
Also, from what I hear, Capcom is about to give up on Devil May Cry for good. Tsukiyomaru0 (talk) 06:47, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
It's too late to let Dante die with dignity, but if we're lucky, they won't make him any worse. Sadly, though, my gut is telling me they'll force a DmC sequel on us and continue trying to pass this "Dino" twat off as cool. If we're really lucky, they'll give control over to a team that already made DMC a hit, or someone who actually knows how to make a cool character. Bitterness and animosity aside, I still have hope that the Classic D-man will continue on. Even if only in my dreams. -- Anobi (talk) 02:57, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

DLC Merge Edit

It has been suggested to merge the DLC content page here. I happen to think there is sufficient content regarding the DLC to warrant its own page. Additionally, adding it here would half-again the length of the article. (We should probably tweak the "Preorder Bonuses" headline to be "Pre-Order Bonuse & Downloadable Content"...) Anyways, what's your opinion? -- Anobi (talk) 05:56, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

As it is right now, it's kind of just a table, and a good portion of this page is redundant to it. If it's going to be split, maybe trim down the coverage on this page, and add some info on the other downloadables beyond DLC, like the demo or trailers?(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 06:07, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
From my experiences working with wikis with DLC, it is always best to have a DLC page separate from a games main page. Even if its just a small amount of DLC, seeing as the content it self is optional players, it isnt necessary. Not to mention it would sort of clutter the main games page quite a pit dont you think? Personally I think its fine as is, its not hurting anyone.
Ixbran (talk) 23:01, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

New review Edit

For both this and VD: http://www.destructoid.com/review-dmc-devil-may-cry-vergil-s-downfall-246125.phtml

Bugs Edit

  • Soundbytes will often overlap or play concurrently.
  • Arbiter Jump Cancel does not work.

Page rename Edit

Are we really going to have a different page for each DLC for this game? Wouldn't it be more organized to have one page for all the DLCs arranged in a table with a column for the name, a column for price, and a column for features? --Anobi (talk) 00:52, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Hrm...you may be right. Although, this is also its own full-fledged scenario, with a story and features aside from the main game. Would a "DmC DLC" article just seem sorta inundated with all the info about "Vergil's Downfall," and then just have these little additions of the weapon skins at the end of it, sorta out of place?
For that matter, what will we do about the inevitable moveset for Vergil...? Do we put it in with the Vergil's Downfall article (wherever it goes), put it with Vergil (DmC), or make a separate article for like...Yamato (DmC) and just handle it like other weapons and movesets? I'm sorta leaning towards the laster idea. Derekoe|Hot-blooded God of Guns| (talk) 03:19, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
If this comes with its own story, we should put that info on the DmC page, as a sub-heading to the Story section. I wouldn't make an article for his weapon(s) yet, but yes, it would probably be best to give Vergil's weapons their own pages.
Formatting aside, here's an idea. Quotes represent links. --Anobi (talk) 05:02, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
Name How to Acquire Features
Vergil's Downfall Pre-order, or $8.99 Unlocks "Vergil (DmC)" as a playable character, and his story, "DmC: Devil May Cry#Vergil's Downfall".
Samurai Pack Pre-order Unlocks the Samurai skins for "Rebellion (DmC)", "Osiris", "Arbiter", and "Revnant".
That seems about right, yeah *nod nod* You're better at this wiki'ing thing than I, Anobi. Derekoe|Hot-blooded God of Guns| (talk) 07:04, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Merge Edit

I'd like to see the information here merged with the Vergil (DmC) article and DmC: Devil May Cry. --Anobi (talk) 05:01, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

That, and question: Where is the "Limbo" thing coming from? Limbo no longer exists as of the end of DmC, plus, the trailer says "a new Hell". It looks to me like he's just in Hell, as in the classic series.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 03:01, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
I honestly couldn't tell ya. I haven't played either the game or the DLC. -- Anobi (talk) 04:31, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
As regards a merge: DmC might be a good target, but Vergil makes little sense, as this is a game. It has purchase info, etc.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 03:38, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Bosses Edit

The concept art seems to imply that the bosses are "Ambush", "Onyx", "The Eye", and "Giant".(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 05:03, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Dates wrong Edit

It will be out for the PS3 and the PC on the 5th and the 360 on the 6th here is my soruce http://shop.capcom.com/store/capcomus/Content/pbPage.CapcomSupport?resid=UTScdgoBAlkAACZtU4MAAABR&rests=1362431285609e.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  21:16,3/4/2013 

DMC's official facebook page says otherwise, and it's their game.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 03:09, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Capcom's website is more reliable then Facebook right now because they are the Publisher, and are involed with the game.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  05:29,3/5/2013 

Oh, and don't believe everything one the Facebook pages because you don't know if the people that started it work with what ever the page is about when it comes to DmC or anything buissness wise. I know your an admin here and so you of all people actually should want a more reliable soruce.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  05:44,3/5/2013 

If today was the relase date I would have gotten an email.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:05,3/5/2013 

the facebook page is for the people who make the game. They have more direct access than capcom, so don't get uppity. As for the e-mail, it' stil the 5th. We can ignore the official announcement from the developers when it is proven wrong.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 19:12, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but you are wrong because I haven't got the e-mail yet and also it shows that it is on the 360 but when I go to it it says -1 and I click on the spot where the -1 is and it does like it is going to bring up how much it is then takes me back to the dashboard and also it is not on the extras for DmC Devil May Cry so yea. Oh and by the way I wasn't being uppity.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:42,3/5/2013 

I just looked on the 360 home again and now it is not there and it is not in the add-on's part of the browse games.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  20:11,3/5/2013 

The offical Twiiter page is telling people from the U.S. that have a PS3 and PC they should have gotten or should get their e-mail's today.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  20:11,3/5/2013 

You know that the website that sends the e-mails can't tell which version you bought, right? The official facebook page has updated that it is game specific, though, so we'll update now.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 01:08, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

But see I told you the dates where wrong and you kept saying that they wheren't. So in the end you found out I was right and you was wrong but who cares I don't because now they have another problem the 12 digit codes for PSN are not verfied by Playstation store yet so people who preodered it for the PS3 won't get their 12 digit code.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:36,3/6/2013 

no, you weren't right because you didn't provide a source that was more authoritative than the one we had been using. Editing wikis is not about guessing randomly and gettin lucky, its about putting evidence up. Notice that I never said your dates were false, simply that you didn't have an authoritative enough source for them.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 14:42, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't guessing and the source I gave you was more authoritative and I looked on the facebook page and didn't see the dates for the US and EU like what you all had on the page. Capcom is the one who started the DMC series and they gave it to Ninja Theory but still Capcome tells them the way they want the game and everything. They have more contorl on the game then Ninja Theory does but believe what you want about my source.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  15:07,3/6/2013 

your crowing about being shown to be "right" (even though the email thing was wrong)? That's supporting guessing and getting lucky rather than the process of comparing evidence. As for capcom, sorry, no. They published the game, they are not responsible for the dlc in any meaningful way. The people actually handling the dlc are the ones who control the dmc facebook page, as I've said before. Quit it with the pissing contest: we use the most authroitative sources, end of story.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 19:00, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Actually they are but like I said before believe what you want. I am done with you and if you want to block or ban me go ahead I don't care.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:39,3/6/2013 

If Ninja Theory was in charge of the DLC's then why on www.devilmaycry.com/vergil did it tell us to go to the link Iput on here answer me that Mr. I Think I Know It All.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:53,3/6/2013 

Seriously: I'm not trying to prove I'm right, I'm reminding you that this wiki has policies as to how it sources stuff. Quit it with the pissing contest and personal attacks, because the position you're arguing against is "use reliable sources." You don't make yourself look good by arguing against that.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 01:44, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Upgrade screen Edit

So, how exactly should we mention that the funky cloudscape used as a background on the upgrade screen makes the text basically invisible?(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 03:41, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Reference 9 Edit

I sorta take issue with any inclusion of Reference 9 - "Your Review of DmC: Devil May Cry."

The review itself is not carried out by anyone in an official capacity, and the "Yur Review" segments seem to be reviews done by the readers of the site. There's also the more pressing fact that the reference is used to cite reception from fans, but the article itself just states things without having any sources, especially about Tameem making many "tactless statements" and "displaying a dislike" for Hideki Kamiya's games. I've actually seen Tameem mention that he does like DMC1, and Bayonetta (despite the latter's very over-the-top style). Having a reference like his is like citing a random guy on YouTube who's just saying things :/ Derekoe|Hot-blooded God of Guns| (talk) 03:48, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

The review is not written in a normally paid capacity, but according to the site they are vetted and approved by a site editor. As such, they can be taken to be the PoV of that site; that doesn't mean that the opinion of the site itself is any more accurate, though.
I would downplay how much the citation represents fandom opinion on our article, reducing it to something like "according to the X of the daily liberal, blah blah blah." However, as long as we accurately represent who is actually saying what, it should be fine for inclusion.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 01:28, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
My reason for adding this source (as well as the others) was because it specifically talked about fan responses. We can't really cite forum posts or article and Youtube comments precisely because they're unreliable, but I still felt that the level of animosity for this game among the fanbase needed to be addressed somehow. -- Anobi (talk) 02:14, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
As long as it isn't putting words in people's mouths, it's cool. I just know for a fact some of the things mentioned in the article were things Tameem had never said >.< A lot of citations on Tameem saying something that made people angry are even false, because it's people taking what he said completely out of context, or just straight up giving him a hard time, like "he's not fit to make a DMC game! He couldn't even remember when the first one was released!" :/ Derekoe|Hot-blooded God of Guns| (talk) 01:08, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
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