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  • Alright. Sorry for my absense. I just needed some time to think of how to do things here. I've been admistering my normal wikia and gaining some experience, using tumblr to talk to people on my given wikia, etc. And looking though another wikia. Basically, trying to see what areas a wikia could potentially improve on.

    I've thought of the idea to instead of always classifying things canon or non-canon, we also open up the category for anything "Ambiguous". This is stuff for we do NOT know or has NOT been comment to be neither canon nor non-canon nor by Capcom themselves rather then keep trying to classify everything not confirm by Capcom's mouth as non-canon, as that's not always the case and people can make arguments. And no matter what, we need 100% confirmation on anything non-canon and canon so we're not misinforming readers based on either getting something completely wrong or bias.

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    • With the release of 4:SE I would think our biggest canon problem, Deadly Fortune, has been more or less pushed out if it was canon at the time. Gregaman of Capcom Unity who heavily promoted the game never pointed us fans in the direction of Deadly Fortune for answers.

      Our canon seems to me to be:

      Semi-novel 1, the games, novel 2(?), and the anime


      Deadly Fortune, the comics, DmC, and crossover games are canon unto themselves only.

      I feel "ambiguous" canon should just be put into the trivia of relevant pages.

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    • It doesn't matter If Gregaman of Capcom Unity never pointed fans in Deadly Fortune for answers or anything. The Special Edition acknowledge the events of the novel such as Vergil visiting Fortuna and the reasons. The game (or was it the manual?) actually ackowledge the novel too in which he find out the background of the day Nero's arm was "injured" and changed. It might as well be semi-canon like the first novel, in which we ignore the contraditions such as how Dante obtained the devil arms and Nero being without the Red Queen and the Blue Rose. This is actually why I had the Video-Games and Novels seperated in character's biographies since video-games and video-game based novels do this and there's no confirmation on which one is the "true" canon.'

      It cannot be "canon to itself" If the games are referencing various events of the novel itself.

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    • The anime acknowledges the alias Tony Redgrave and si do his guns but Nell and Grue from novel 1 aren't canon. The game also doesn't reference anything novel specific, it recreates an event but nothing happens exclusively in the novel happens in it.

      I feel it boils down to whether or not it references something we could ONLY understand with knowledge from the novel, which it doesn't.

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    • That's why the first novel is acknowledged as semi-canon, right? It references some things from it we can't ignore yet some stuff also doesn't fit. Same case here.

      Where else did the Special Edition get Vergil going to Fortuna? Him doing that was not present in the original release but was present in the Novel many people have claimed non-canon even though Capcom has never stated so nor had a game that directly contradicted the entire novel. Now, their remixed version even went further and directly refers to the events that took place. Vergil visiting Fortuna isn't something new and not a coincidence.

      And it doesn't matter If we understand the references or not. Devil May Cry is originally japanese to begin with. Us not understand it doesn't stop something from being canon, semi-canon, or non-canon. 

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    • Novel 1 is semi-canon because it was confirmed canon and has parts that havent been thrown out of canon.

      4:SE recreates a scenerio and blatently ignores whatever else the novel presented. It would be safer to assume that they want us know what they presented in the game, and not from a retelling. Much like the DMC comic.


      DMC games are made for english. They always have been. The first time the games were in japanese was in 4:SE but that is the secondary language.

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    • 4:SE recreates a scenerio and blatently ignores whatever else the novel presented. It would be safer to assume that they want us know what they presented in the game, and not from a retelling. Much like the DMC comic. Not really, mate! Trish was always there, Lady was always there and they formed a team to fight demons in Fortuna, just like Special Edition shows.

      We just know Vergil was in Fortuna and that he informed Sanctus he wanted to surpass Sparda in his feats.

      As much, novel hints Nero's mother wasn't from Fortuna or she wasn't there when Nero was born, that's why Sanctus could only think of a prostitute as his mother.

      I came under the impression Bingo had planned a more romantic approach were Nero's mother was Vergil's lover or beloved, while DMC4SE seems to hint it was a one night stand or an ocasional tryst( no matter if the gal was a prostitute or not, since it's basically the same here).

      Bingo only wrote the vanilla version, not SE.He was taken away to do BAYO2 story( which in IMO, Rosa/Balder love affair is closer to what Vergil/Nero's mother was to be, but SE erased), so story was left to the whim of it's director.

      Anyway, everything we know about DMC4 novel was a quick summary ( I found later there were a lot of richer things that were left out), so we can't say if is canon or not, neither I believe Capcom has guts to go further into Nero's origins.So, now Nero is only a child of Vergil with an easy woman, nothing more.We have to remember too Sanctus was correct about Vergil being the father, so maybe he is correct about a prostitute being the mother.( In SE version, that is).

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    • Balder and Rosa were a forbidden love story and a product of Balders deception from part 1 so their story is fairly irrelevant to any intentions Bingo had for DMC4. 

      We still have no confirmation that Vergil is Neros father or the circumstances surrounding his conception. Sanctus made assumptions, while he had a point about Vergil, he was making blatant assumptions abut the mom because he never encountered her. Sanctus also wasnt the one to suggest she was a hooker, it was other townsfolk.


      My question is, do they not get tourists or people that pass by to make wild assumptions like these?

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    • Good question!If I remember well, Sanctus was sure there was NO pregnant woman in Fortuna's city surrounding the time Nero appeared.This guy was someone who poisoned his antecessor in order to get his place as vicar,  he probably is as obsessive compulsive as Vergil, so he must knew or he would be well informed about his people and his surroundings.He was on Trish since the very beggining , so a pregnant woman would be easily targeted.As in common with overly religious people, their tongue were laced with poison and their words of gossip, so they would detect a pregnant woman easily.

      Nero jokes about Dante being there to see historical places or something, much to Credo's chagrain, maybe tourists are not uncommon, but then again that island is run by a cult of weirdos who think highly of themselves, so it can be difficult to get a visa.(Vergil does not count, since he doesn't accept a refusal as an answer.)

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    • We dont know if ge knew who Trish was. Anyone who walks on by with the Sword of Sparda and hands It over for no real reason would be someone to keep an eye on. As Trish he recognized ger as Gloria. So it's more along the lines of "Gloria is someone to be wary of" and not "Gloria is someone who snuck in and infiltrated us to stop us our plans."

      Sanctus must not be that aware considering he only made assumptions about Vergil nor did he see Credo turning on him. 

      The townsfolk don't seem to think of themselves as better than anyone else considering no one batted an eye at the man walking down the street in a dirty tattered rag. 

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    • They have a hotel with a big, green neon sign, so I gather they do get tourists in numbers large enough to justify such establishement.

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    • The townsfolk don't seem to think of themselves as better than anyone else considering no one batted an eye at the man walking down the street in a dirty tattered rag. 

      Christian ( and other religious folks) don't bat an eye to an apparently poor man, but if you dress in black or do something different, hell breaks loose.

      They can receive a lot of turists, maybe because it's a interesting place or because *half kidding, but not really* sexual turism, as in real world.

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    • Assumptions and speculation.

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    • LegionZero wrote:
      Assumptions and speculation.


      *shrugs* Well what else can be done with a game where they paid more attention to where they can put tits and butts on nice display, than building a good plot and giving necessary data?

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    • We just have dry bare bones to devour, no flesh was left for us to enjoy.Here we got none of the good things DMC media has, only Japan has it and they are giving a damn about it.

      All we have is a distorted version of what DMC characters used to be displayed in DMC4se.I don't know about you, but I'm getting annoyed how now DMC display its characters.

      Paying 25 euros just to get nothing in exchange is not a option.

      "*shrugs* Well what else can be done with a game where they paid more attention to where they can put tits and butts on nice display, than building a good plot and giving necessary data?"

      If I wanted to see butts and tits, I would find it in google for free.

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    • They said a long time ago that we werent going to find out Neros origins in DMC4 and they said the Special Edition was gameplay focused so complaining they won't give us an answer is sort of moot. The novel is even more proof because this proclaimed "complete version" still doesn't answer the question.

      The characters are who they always were. I don't see a problem there.


      @Smoking Gun: where is the hotel??

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    • LegionZero wrote:
      @Smoking Gun: where is the hotel??


      The hotel I recall seeing on the main street, when you control Dante and I think need to reach Opera house to fight Agnus. Just look for green sign "Fortuna Inn" or something like that.

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