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  • LegionZero
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    Super old and needs to stop getting Vergil'ed
    17:21, April 30, 2019

    VERGIL ISN'T DEAD !!! his soul is inside Nero, and Nero isn't his son but an host for the Vergil's soul. Vergil is without body (he is inside an arm lol)

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    • Its already been confirmed that Nero is his son.

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    • Did no one play the fourth game at all? You can even hear Nelo Angelo's theme once Nero gets impaled to the wall. There's some things Nero says right from Vergil too. 

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    • A similar tune to Sparda's theme plays when Dante unlocks the Sparda DT against Mundus. Spardas theme is straight up lifted for the scene where Vergil confronts Mundus at the end of DMC3, but that doesn't make Vergil, Dante, or Mundus vessels for Sparda.

      The track for Nero's awakening was a remix of Nelo Angelo's theme, yes, but Nelo Angelo's theme is a remix of Sparda's theme IIRC. These things are done to make a connection between characters, not to say that they are present in any way, shape, or form.

      Vergil's quote was "I need more power." Nero says "Power, give me more power." So no, he doesn't repeat Vergil, because the quotes themselves are different and many characters have quotes that reflect their desire for power, so unless Sanctus and Arkham also have part of Vergl's soul, this point is moot.

      Nero's quote is also part of a larger quote to contextualize it. He goes on to say "And if i become a demon, so be it, I will endure the exile... Anything to protect her." Nero's desire for power has nothing to do with influence from any other character. Its all Nero and his motivation.

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    • You realise Vergil would of been too young to have been Nero's father, Nero, in Devil May Cry 4, is around 18, and Vergil is around 28-30, the user above was correct in saying Nero is only a host, because later on when Dante is talking to Nero about him keeping the sword, Dante seems to of figured out that Vergil is inside of Nero, so when he says about keeping the sword (Yamato, Vergil's sword) Dante is still keeping the sword in the family. If Nero was Vergil's son, Dante wouldn't of known, and I believe it would of played out differently.

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    • It's already been confirmed by the Creators, that Nero is indeed Vergil son.  Dont fight with us about that, fight with creator.

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    • DMC4SE puts DMC3 about 20 years before DMC4. Please dont comments on super old threads, make a new ome if you wamt to discuss this stuff.

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    • According to the new DMC5 trailer released in E3 2018, Vergil clearly isn't dead OR inside Nero's arm.

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    • What we see is Vergils body.

      Idk where the "inside Nero's arm" theory came from since he clearly isnt since he appears to be the one to rip off Nero's arm -.-

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    • The Deadly Fortune novel and the 3142 Artbook has alrady cleared up all the "Nero isn't Vergil son"debacle. And DMC5 obviously is influenced by the novel. Itsuno actually said that the neon sign we see is from the novel's part of the story.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyLsYii7wOE

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    • Hey Jay, glad to see you back. How did you enjoyed DMC 5 trailer?

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    • I do not like the art so I hope that the story more then makes up for it as well as gameplay.

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    • We don't have any confirmation that Vergil is the one who took Nero's arm

      But yeah, he might appear in this game since everything that DMC5 already show to us was already in those Spoilers

      If all of them are real, Vergil and Mundus are probably back lol

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    • I kinda wanna see Vergil resurrected IMO. I'd like him to play Kazuya to Nero's Jin for a couple of games at the very least. He's already antagonistic to Dante, so I kinda wish he plays a bit with Dante's feelings by appearing reformed and backstabbing him (figuratively or literally could both work) when the opportunity shows itself, then giving him one of his signature lectures about power.

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    • DMC4 said that the Bianco Angels and Agnus' other creations used pieces of Nelo Angelo as their base. I don't think Vergil would have sacrificed pieces of himself to be used if he was alive. The only way Agnus would have succeeded in using the Nelo pieces and survive is if Vergil's dead.

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    • Well during the last fight between Dante and Vergil, Vergil kinda blew himself up... I think there's a possibility that a pieces of him were spreaded on the entire island. in that explosion, or even beyond it...

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    • There's a possibility someone picks up pieces of him and revives him. If Mundus actually survived Mallet Island then he's capable of doing this.

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    • Rion Dragonheart wrote:
      There's a possibility someone picks up pieces of him and revives him. If Mundus actually survived Mallet Island then he's capable of doing this.

      He did dude he is still alive.just imprisoned.

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    • Yea, people tend to forget that Mundus was just sealed away, not killed.

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    • Nero would get stomped if he tried fighting Mundus

      Also, Nelo Angelo wasnt Vergil's original body. After the armor exploded Vergil wouldnt have a say nor would he probably care what happened to it.

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    • LegionZero wrote:
      Nero would get stomped if he tried fighting Mundus

      Would he really though?

      SPOILERS!

      I mean he stopped both his dad and uncle while in his DT sooo...

      I would assume that he could hold his own against Mundus.

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    • 41.80.134.17 wrote: Would he really though?

      SPOILERS!

      I mean he stopped both his dad and uncle while in his DT sooo...

      I would assume that he could hold his own against Mundus.

      Dante and Vergil wore eachother after going all out against one another. Its just like in DMC3 where Jester stomped Dante and Vergil, admitting that he wouldnt have been able to do so without them beating the crap out of eachother first.

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    • I dunno. Even if you take in the "they wore off" factor in everything, their Sin Devil Trigger kinda makes the entire scene... Harder to scale.

      If Nero in his DT is truly stronger than Dante/Vergil... then Devil May Cry 5 might have one of the worst power scalling I've ever seen.

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    • 41.80.134.17 wrote:
      LegionZero wrote:
      Nero would get stomped if he tried fighting Mundus
      Would he really though?

      SPOILERS!

      I mean he stopped both his dad and uncle while in his DT sooo...

      I would assume that he could hold his own against Mundus.

      Okay then, what about like right after that when Nero bitch slapped Dante?

      Remember when he said that the slap almost killed him or whatever?

      Also before cofusion sparks, I'm 41.80.134.17 I just made an account a few minutes ago.

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    • Welltree wrote:

      Remember when he said that the slap almost killed him or whatever?

      Also before cofusion sparks, I'm 41.80.134.17 I just made an account a few minutes ago.

      Well congrats on making propper account and welcome to the community.

      As for Nero. I personaly do think that he became stronger or at least very close to Dante/Vergil in terms of power. Of course Dante and Vergil fighting tired them out, but we cant deny that Vergil had his sin DT form.

      Do I like it? No, not really. I do think that Nero should surpass Dante but it should took him way more time and he shouldnt be able to surpass Dante/Vergil Sin Devil Trigger (something so powerful) with just normal Devil Trigger. To make the matter worse he got it.... after talking with Kyrie. That's it? Like give him one or two more games, then let him surpass Dante.

      I belive that the game should end with Dante/Vergil going to the underworld, and Nero staying to protect Earth. With Nero being WEAKER than Dante, you could make a ton of new Devil May Cry games. Like Nero vs Mundus etc.

      If Nero is stronger than Dante, then you cant really make any new enemy for him that would gave him any trouble... Hell if Nero is stronger than Dante then he can one shoot Mundus and basically every demon right now.

      I really enjoyed DMC5 from the gameplay, but in terms of storytelling and power-scalling... It really is a big mess

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      Welltree wrote:

      Remember when he said that the slap almost killed him or whatever?

      Also before cofusion sparks, I'm 41.80.134.17 I just made an account a few minutes ago.

      To make the matter worse he got it.... after talking with Kyrie. That's it? Like give him one or two more games, then let him surpass Dante.

      You seem to forget that strength can be gained in different ways including: 

      -Finding a reason to fight. (Love, Hate, Family etc.)

      -Coming to terms with something. (Like your mistakes)

      Nero seemed to gain strength from wanting to stop his family from dying (Dante and Vergil ending their feud by most likely killing one another.)

      Also, Kyrie said something that made Nero sure of his reason to fight at that moment, further solidifying his will to stop them from killing each other.

      That's just what I believe I understood from that scene feel free to disagree, but I'm sticking to my opinion.

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    • That's fine. Some people will love it, some will hate.

      Do you agree with my opinion that right now no one will be a threat to Nero since he's gotten too strong?

      Or do you have any idea about potential villain that could still beat him?

      While we're at it... It might be the last DMC game.

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    • If we do get a DMC6 or something equivalent to it, then Nero might be weakened a bit but we can't be sure. They may or may not just come up with a new way to play him that doesn't just depower him.

      On the potential villain front, I have no flipping idea.

      Also, how do you pronounce Nero, I say it like Ne-Ro while in the game they say it like Near-ro

      Though my pronunciation is influenced by the amount of anime I watch and Black Clover they have a bird named Nero there.

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    • Maybe Mundus returns thanks to cultists who seeks his escape and empowered him with Dante and Vergil's powers. It was the end of the sons of Sparda not the seies as a whole the next game would be Mundus he is still alive and would get a power up to fight Dante,Vergil,and Nero.

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    • Now... Imagine Mudnus getting Sin Devil Trigger form. That would look cool.

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    • Also if Dante/Vergil got Sin Devil Trigger form... then Nero could get it one day as well.

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    • Welltree wrote:

      Okay then, what about like right after that when Nero bitch slapped Dante?

      Remember when he said that the slap almost killed him or whatever?

      1. Dante might have been overexaggerating Or 2. He was to beaten down that even the likes of Nero could have finished the job.

      Arkham's weakass knocked out Vergil in 1 kick because he was so weakened from his fight with Dante.

      Arkham stomped Lady and tooka stab straight from Yamato, but after Dante and Vergil kicked his ass, Lady finished him off with bullets.

      Before the Nightmare revealed that Mundus wasnt at full strength when he fought Vergil and only won because Vergil had just taken a beating from Dante.

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    • I hope that you're right Legion. But without straight clarification from the creators, fans will take it as if Nero was stronger than both of them

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote: I hope that you're right Legion. But without straight clarification from the creators, fans will take it as if Nero was stronger than both of them

      Judging how Dante and Vergil could barely stand in almost an exact mirror of their 2nd fight just before Arkham showed up, the creators made it fairly clear. As a visual medium, its better to show rather than tell.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      I hope that you're right Legion. But without straight clarification from the creators, fans will take it as if Nero was stronger than both of them

      Well both Dante and Vergil were weakened

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    • so who is Nero's mother?

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    • Some female human from fortuna. That's literally all we know.

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    • Most likely that random woman in red from Vergil's 4:SE opening.

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    • can't believe nero's mother didn't have any saying or any mention at all in the game, seeing as Dante's and Vergil's mom have an important role in the game and their life story, but devs team just didn't give a shit to Nero's mom info or whereabout. Let's just spawn nero out of thin air and claim it's vergil's son...

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    • and actually, if nero's being told as dante's son, it would be more make sense tho, seeing as Dante's character is more of a player and have more time to screw girls around than his opposite brother which is the serious type, focus on the politic and power and revenge. can't recall when would be the best time that vergil would build a relationship with a girl. 

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    • Not true. Vergil said "well that was a loooong time ago." It was a super vague reference.

      Eva played no big role. She was in a flashback that we had already been shown in the manga and Dante mentioned her in like, 3 lines total.

      DMC5 was to rap up Dante and Vergil's story. Nero's mom might be important in 6. Even if she doesnt become important does it really matter? She was so unremarkable that Vergil could barely be bothered to remember, and no one else knew who she was.

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    • haha yea perhaps it's deliberately made to be super vague for 6 preparations. well, why i said it's important is because the dev makes the effort in making eva's characters model in the cutscene in 5, usually if it's not that important, they wouldn't make the extra effort (and cost) in making the character's model. just mention her in a line as usual should be enough. Well, honestly, my first impression of nero when playing 4 is, him being dante's rebellious son or something, as seeing their resemblance in the hair style and hair colour, cocky stylish fighting style and jacket as well. haha. when i found out that it was in fact, vergil son, it was kinda wtf to me, lol.

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    • They didnt really have to make Eva's model, just tweak Trish's.

      Hair style isnt hereditary.

      Vergil also had white hair and a long coat.

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    • yeah right, even "just" tweaking trish character wouldn't be a "free work" though, i doubt any of the character designer there would simply work for free to make a new character. it wouldn't be a 10 minutes work as well to make another character model, even if its just tweaking from an existing one. also vergil using blue coat, short hair and cold fighting style, while nero using red coat, longer hair and flashy fighting style in 4, which is more similar to dante. i bet they shaved his hair in 5 to make it more similar to vergil a bit. 

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    • I am still sad that we never got Kyrie's model. Only her voice.

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    • Crusaderios wrote: yeah right, even "just" tweaking trish character wouldn't be a "free work" though, i doubt any of the character designer there would simply work for free to make a new character. it wouldn't be a 10 minutes work as well to make another character model, even if its just tweaking from an existing one. also vergil using blue coat, short hair and cold fighting style, while nero using red coat, longer hair and flashy fighting style in 4, which is more similar to dante. i bet they shaved his hair in 5 to make it more similar to vergil a bit. 

      Tweaking a model costs less creating an entirely new one for a character who is basically irrelevant.

      Nero didnt have a red coat. He had a red vest but his coat was a dark blue. Nero's energy was blue so

      Nero's fighting style is exactly the same in 4 as in 5 (when it comes to swordplay.)

      Vergil had his cocky moments as well. Nero even threw tantrums like Vergil did.

      They shaved his head so that he was more of an individual. Vergil's hair was the same length as Dante's, just styled differently

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    • Dan (Vergil's VA) said that the mother was siginificant to Vergil. But it confuses me as to why he'd forget about her if she was that important to him.. and did he really have enough time to build a relationship with her? But it also seems odd to me that Vergil would randomly just have sex. He'd have to have some sort of reason for that. 

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    • I am tempted to lock this thread, since it was started since before DMC5 release and keeps on being revived.

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    • Why does that matter? sheesh... 

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    • I am just surprised people continue here instead of making a new thread, because it has been long since it stopped being on the original topic, tbh.

      But notice that I still didn't actually lock the thread.

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    • @kitty: start a new thread with the same questions. I want shed some light on those questions but it is time for this thread to be shut down.

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