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  • The Sparda sword is locked inside its Force Edge form back in DMC3 so Dante uses Rebellion there. He clearly uses Force Edge in DMC1 and it has been stated that he nicknamed it "woozy" and has gone on many missions using it. He can't use it in DMC4 because Trish swiped it and offered it to the Order of the Sword. So why doesn't he use it in the DMC anime, where it's easier to transport in Force Edge form and is stronger than the Rebellion in Sparda form? Why is he not shown using it on the PS4 box art? Why does he not carry one of the gauntlet Devil Arm variations, shotgun variations, or the Pandora with him whenever he does missions? It's kinda a mystery to me.

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    • I think he simply, doesnt need to. He's too strong for most of his missions, and carrying it around wouldnt make a difference.  If this screen is legit (And it's 99% legit, it came out before DMCV was even annouced on E3) then the new opponent will be enough of a challenge for Dante, so he will have to use The Sparda. https://i.imgur.com/cBvolWs.png

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    • In DMC1, Dante gave the Sparda sword to Trish, making her the new owner of it.

      Dante then decided to go back to using Rebellion as his main sword after the events of DMC1.

      In the DMC anime, Trish probably still has the Sparda sword.

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    • @Meshifuari: I guess I'm speaking too soon for DMC5. That clearly is Dante with the Sparda slung over his shoulder in the first picture. It's kinda hard to read, but I did spot the part where it says this game will be the 'final chapter' of the series. I hope not... So your explanation makes sense, coupled by the fact that Dante's a bit of a Blood Knight so he might be using the Rebellion to give himself a handicap. Still why doesn't he pack at least a gauntlet Devil Arm and a shotgun with him? He at least has three pairs of each in his office now. Dante doesn't really need to pack any other firearm though if he always has the Pandora on him.

      @Cerium: Dante clearly still has ownership of the sword in DMC4 since it was mentioned there that Trish took it without permission. 

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    • "it was mentioned there that Trish took it without permission."

      When? I've played the game numerous times and don't remember that.

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    • Okay I messed up with that one. It's not specifically mentioned by anyone but only implied since it was hanging behind Dante's desk beside his firearms case during his flashback at the office. I still find it weird that Trish won't use it in the anime if it's hers. 

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    • Dante prefers to rely on his own power. He also doesnt need much more than E&I and Rebby.

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    • It's either that or Dante likes to give himself a handicap. Both fit with his personality.

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    • Can you really call Dante using Rebellion a handicap? It may not be as powerful as Sparda or Yamato, but Rebellion's still a very powerful Devil Arm.

      And my point that the Sparda sword belongs to Trish is still the most valid.

      As for what he does with the other Devil Arms he obtains, who knows? Maybe they're in storage somewhere. Or maybe he sells them.

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    • Sparda is still the most powerful Devil Arm he has alongside probably Pandora, but based on the anime at least, Dante goes out with just the Rebellion and Ebony and Ivory. He even leaves his shotguns behind. This is what I mean when I say handicap. He also tends to use Ebony and Ivory first before he pulls out Rebellion at least in the anime. It's pretty much established that he toys with his enemies.

      Hmmm that got me thinking. Maybe Dante and Trish share all their weapons among themselves? I read in this wiki that there's a game mode where Trish also uses Pandora.

      I'm still pretty interested in knowing what he does to those Devil Arms. Selling the shotguns make sense though, but if he does that to Devil Arms it's extremely irresponsible even for him.

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    • The stuff that takes place during Trish's gameplay in the campaign is non-canon. It shows what she can do with other weapons but it cant really be counted that she ever actually used them.

      According to Devil May Cry CD Drama, Dante at the very least has Agmi, Rudra, and Alastor in a closet. How canonical the CD Dramas are can be debated.

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    • We never get to see any of them in the anime too.

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    • I just assumed he sold his Devil Arms to stay afloat. It's not as if the demon hunting business is ludicrous. Dante's always in debt to someone or other.

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    • The problem with that is it's extremely irresponsible of Dante to do so. Devil Arms are demon souls and, in the wrong hands, can cause chaos and hurt people. Some of them like Ifrit and Alastor can even murder people on their own. If it's any indication, the Devil May Cry anime implies that Morrison also gives Dante non-demonic jobs to earn money. But I guess this may explain why he has different shotguns every game. I'm sure he at least sells the non-demonic firearms.

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    • You have to remember that it was also irresponsible to give Nero Yamato and let him fight with Sanctus... If it wasnt for Dante, entrusting Yamato during their second battle... Sanctus would've never opened Hell Gates and many people would still be alive. Hell even Credo could've possibly survived. Dante is not responsible type of a guy, and even anime confirms it.

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    • I still don't think he'll sell Devil Arms though. However I do think Dante giving Nero Yamato is a sign of both recklessness and trust instead of irresponsibility. Plus he probably realized they're related.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote: You have to remember that it was also irresponsible to give Nero Yamato and let him fight with Sanctus... If it wasnt for Dante, entrusting Yamato during their second battle... Sanctus would've never opened Hell Gates and many people would still be alive. Hell even Credo could've possibly survived. Dante is not responsible type of a guy, and even anime confirms it.

      Nero would have went on to fight Sanctus anyways and would have lost extra hard and formed the Saviours core. Dante letting him hold on to Yamato after their 2nd fight was actually more responsible because he was helpimg Nero defend himself. Dante also didnt necessarily know Nero carried Sparda's blood, or that he could be used to form the Saviors core.

      What part of the anime confirms that he is irresponsible?

      Rion Dragonheart wrote: I still don't think he'll sell Devil Arms though. However I do think Dante giving Nero Yamato is a sign of both recklessness and trust instead of irresponsibility. Plus he probably realized they're related.

      He may more tham likely have them sealed up somewhere. There isnt much evidence to suggest that Dante knew anything about Nero's lineage until Sanctus monologued about how Nero was sufficient enough to become the Saviors core

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    • I'll just ask in advance, you havent seen DMC 4 Pachinko cutscenes? Him letting Sid live was a mistake. Not taking into consideration that this demon could've bigger plans was rather irresponsible in my opinion. Even tho he seemed like a minor threat that couldnt hurt many people, he still could hurt some of them.

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    • Here's some of the Pachinko Cutscenes:


      >>- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_qxWvgGGUI&t=

      Lady and Trish dancing = My dream

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote: I'll just ask in advance, you havent seen DMC 4 Pachinko cutscenes? Him letting Sid live was a mistake. Not taking into consideration that this demon could've bigger plans was rather irresponsible in my opinion. Even tho he seemed like a minor threat that couldnt hurt many people, he still could hurt some of them.

      What do the pachinko cutscenes have to do with anything? They are non-canon. I don't recall Sid ever having hurt anyone in the series until the last 2 episodes. Dante doesn't kill every demon he comes across jusr because they are demons, he kills them if the hurt people or have intentions to hurt people.

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    • Irresponsible as Dante may seem, he is a hero not an anti-hero. Saving innocents is still his thing and selling Devil Arms that can potentially hurt people directly is something an anti-hero would do. He rubs demons and some people the wrong way sure, but he isn't a gigantic asshole who puts people in harms way by giving them access to demons' souls. Sure his demon slaying has caused collateral damage, but accusing Dante of being irresponsible because of that is like saying the Justice League or the Avengers are the same. You don't see those guys giving out WMDs in exchange for money.

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    • Isn't Rebellion the physical manifestation of Dante's power ?

      If it is, DMC2 Dante's Rebby might be as strong as Sparda Sword, if that quote really means that Rebellion gets stronger alongside Dante

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    • Dante Demon Killah wrote:
      Isn't Rebellion the physical manifestation of Dante's power ?

      If it is, DMC2 Dante's Rebby might be as strong as Sparda Sword, if that quote really means that Rebellion gets stronger alongside Dante

      Rebellion is the keepsake Sparda gave Dante much like Yamato was to Vergil. They're originally Sparda's swords but unlike Yamato where he sealed Fortuna's Hell Gate with, Rebellion doesn't have any feat linked to it when it was Sparda's. So the only feats we can take note of are what Dante has used Rebellion for. There are image scans of a magazine where Dante is seen using the Sparda sword so DMC2 aside, from DMC1-5 at least the Sparda Sword is stronger.

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    • Dante isnt as steong as Sparda so probably not Rebby isnt as strong as Sparda sword

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    • LegionZero wrote:
      Dante isnt as steong as Sparda so probably not Rebby isnt as strong as Sparda sword

      I agree completely. 

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    • Some Rebellion feats:

      - Dante used Rebellion to defeat Abigail

      - Dante could remove a demon from Elena with Rebellion

      - Dante used Rebellion to defeat Argosax (and E&I)

      - Rebellion can resist Space attacks from Yamato

      - Rebellion can resist direct punches from the Savior

      DMC4 Guide states that Dante's abilities and expertise in combat made some people believe that he surpassed his father. And it's better for him use The Sparda Sword because he will be using both his powers and Sparda's power, of course it's advantageous

      Or do you think that using The Sparda Sword removes your own power ? Dante using this weapon still have his power AND his father's

      I'm not saying that Rebellion > Sparda, neither Dante > his Father, but it's not a random Sword anyway, and Dante can at least give Sparda a run for his money

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    • Dante Demon Killah wrote:
      Some Rebellion feats:

      - Dante used Rebellion to defeat Abigail

      - Dante could remove a demon from Elena with Rebellion

      - Dante used Rebellion to defeat Argosax (and E&I)

      - Rebellion can resist Space attacks from Yamato

      - Rebellion can resist direct punches from the Savior

      DMC4 Guide states that Dante's abilities and expertise in combat made some people believe that he surpassed his father. And it's better for him use The Sparda Sword because he will be using both his powers and Sparda's power, of course it's advantageous

      Or do you think that using The Sparda Sword removes your own power ? Dante using this weapon still have his power AND his father's

      I'm not saying that Rebellion > Sparda, neither Dante > his Father, but it's not a random Sword anyway, and Dante can at least give Sparda a run for his money

      All the feats you've mentioned are Dante's. What I meant was Rebellion doesn't have any feats when Sparda was using it or if he even used it at all, unlike Yamato that he used to seal the demon gate in Fortuna. 

      I pretty much think that a portion of Sparda's power still resides in the Sparda Sword when used much like how other devil arms and the Yamato is to Vergil. I'm thinking Trish can't use it's full potential, but Dante could theoretically use his powers in conjuction with the powers in the sword for maximum effect. As for Rebellion, I think it's just a conduit of Dante's own powers and if he dies, his powers may permanently reside in it.

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    • Hmm, I'm not sure, but I think it was stated that Trish can't use Sparda's full potential

      I get it your point about Rebellion, in fact Rebellion doesn't have a "story to tell" when Sparda wield it, maybe in DMC5 ? I think this Sword is really underestimated, we don't know if Dante can remove a demon from someone without Rebellion, and resisting Space attacks and and punches from the Savior are feats that belongs to Rebellion, not only to Dante

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    • Dante Demon Killah wrote:
      Hmm, I'm not sure, but I think it was stated that Trish can't use Sparda's full potential

      I get it your point about Rebellion, in fact Rebellion doesn't have a "story to tell" when Sparda wield it, maybe in DMC5 ? I think this Sword is really underestimated, we don't know if Dante can remove a demon from someone without Rebellion, and resisting Space attacks and and punches from the Savior are feats that belongs to Rebellion, not only to Dante

      The way it's presented, Rebellion is an extension of Dante. Unlike other devil arms with different properties depending on the demon soul residing in it (including Sparda and now Yamato), Rebby exclusively channels Dante's powers and soul. I don't think it's underestimated. To be more precise, it reflects Dante's abilities perfectly. One could say they're bound to each other much like how Thor of Norse Mythology is to his hammer Mjolnir in most depictions of him in popular media.

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    • "A memento given to Dante by his father, this large magical blade is the physical manifestation of Dante’s power." The stronger Dante gets, the stronger Rebellion will get, the weaker will he get... same applies. Sparda sword seems to be so powerful, because majority of Sparda power (if not all of it) has been sealed inside of it. I do think that if Dante were to seal his demonic powers inside Rebellion, the sword would get way more powerfull.

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    • Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      Some Rebellion feats:

      - Dante used Rebellion to defeat Abigail

      He defeated Sid using Abigails power, the extent of which was never clarified

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      - Dante could remove a demon from Elena with Rebellion

      That demon was fodder and its unclear how or what he did to separate them. For all we know it is a lower-level ability. There is no proof Sparda can't do the same. He has stripped demons of their names.

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      - Dante used Rebellion to defeat Argosax (and E&I)

      Argosax may be more hypebthan anything since Sparda could seal him (possibly) without his full strength.

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      - Rebellion can resist Space attacks from Yamato

      Rebellion never went up against any of Yamato's space cutting abilities.

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      - Rebellion can resist direct punches from the Savior

      So could the Devil Bringer. In fact the Devil Bringer has better feats against the Savior.

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      DMC4 Guide states that Dante's abilities and expertise in combat made some people believe that he surpassed his father.

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      Belief=/=fact

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

       And it's better for him use The Sparda Sword because he will be using both his powers and Sparda's power, of course it's advantageous

      This is true

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      I'm not saying that Rebellion > Sparda, neither Dante > his Father, but it's not a random Sword anyway, and Dante can at least give Sparda a run for his money

      Certainly not as of DMC1. Maybe by DMC2.
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    • LegionZero you are downplaying Dante way to much, you know nothing about DMC.

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    • I can debunk you anytime LegionZero, feel free to debate with me, if you can.

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    • Excuse me?? I wasnt made Admin basically against my will because I dont know what im talking about. Instead of talking about how you can debunk me, why dont actually do it?

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    • - Yeah, it was Sid, my bad. However, he have a feat that nobody in the series have ever surpassed, so he is strong af, but I remember that in the Anime, a Demon who knew Sparda, when was looking at Dante, said that the Devil Boy was a mere Child to his father in terms of Power, so...yeah

      - When Nero attacked The Savior near the end of the game, the statue was depowered

      - It was stated that Yamato Space Cutting skills are only with it's energy projection ? Can't the Sword by itself use this kind of skill ? I remember that Rebellion cound't cut the Devil Bringer, but Yamato could

      - Hmm, it was stated when Sparda assisted that clan against Argosax ? Could be during his rebellion, I think he was at full power when he faced The Despair, but who knows. Dante, in DMC2, did not appear to have much difficulty in defeating Argosax, he did it with a shot, without being injured and in his base form lol

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      I know that since I came here, we do not agree on almost anything, but I don't think you're downplaying Dante, Legion, actually, I think you have excelents points, I'm not here defending Dante, I'm just trying to know more about the series since I still a rookie lol

      So...Manojkkmar, can you please post your arguments ? I believe we all want to see them

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    • Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      - Yeah, it was Sid, my bad. However, he have a feat that nobody in the series have ever surpassed, so he is strong af, but I remember that in the Anime, a Demon who knew Sparda, when was looking at Dante, said that the Devil Boy was a mere Child to his father in terms of Power, so...yeah

      I don't remember that being said. If it was, it would have been said in the episode with Baul and Modeus. IIRC they were the only people who had a direct connection to him

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      - When Nero attacked The Savior near the end of the game, the statue was depowered

      He also has some feats against the Savior in Mission 11. It wasnt full power but yea they are there. We know Rebellion can peirce the Savior at the very least but large scale damage want really shown

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      - It was stated that Yamato Space Cutting skills are only with it's energy projection ? Can't the Sword by itself use this kind of skill ? I remember that Rebellion cound't cut the Devil Bringer, but Yamato could

      The blade itself hasnt shown the ability to cut through space, all cases where it has done so was at a distance. Dante was holding back against Nero. Like, alot

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      - Hmm, it was stated when Sparda assisted that clan against Argosax ? Could be during his rebellion, I think he was at full power when he faced The Despair, but who knows. Dante, in DMC2, did not appear to have much difficulty in defeating Argosax, he did it with a shot, without being injured and in his base form lol

      Dante vs Argosax happened only a few hundred years prior to 2

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      I know that since I came here, we do not agree on almost anything, but I don't think you're downplaying Dante, Legion, actually, I think you have excelents points, I'm not here defending Dante, I'm just trying to know more about the series since I still a rookie lol

      Im cool with disagreemants so long as you arent being a dick or it is stuff that hasnt already been verified by canon

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    • - It was said by the main demon in Episode 8:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBK4DylUrFs

      At 2:45, this isn't the best sub buuuut ok

      - We would need to see a fight beetwen Dante and Depowered Savior to know for sure, but I believe Dante would be enough to defeat that version of The Savior... If Nero could. Large area damage it's a thing that Dante almost never show in the series, but area of effect and potency are not the same thing you know, but this is VsB stuff, and this is not the right place

      - And couldn't cut Kalina Ann, I forgot this. 

      - You mean Sparda VS Argosax right ? but I get it your point

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    • Funimation has the official sub on their youtube channel.

      Yamato can't cut Rebellion, didnt cut through Kalina Ann, seemingly wasnt able to cut through any of the doors Vergil needed to get through in Temen-Ni-Gru

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    • Soooo with this video:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElWkGqhoDfE

      It goes to show that Dante does keep some of his Devil Arms from previous games. 

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    • That isnt proof he keeps them in-story. That could be a gameplay extra.

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    • Rion Dragonheart wrote:

      It goes to show that Dante does keep some of his Devil Arms from previous games. 

      I would have assumed that he kept some of them, he at least kept Sparda... And in CD drama he kept Alastor as well....

      But if that was the case with Cerberus, then Cerberus shouldnt be able to use fire or thunder based attacks. I'll go with my own theory here... If you dont mind.

      I think that Cerberus will be either ressurected and amped or in possession of some other demon that will boost it abilities.

      That or it always had these powers but Dante couldnt used them, for some reason ¯\_(ヅ)_/¯¯

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    • He doesnt keep his DA's. The get sold to Enzo's DA pawn shop [[1]]

      As for Cerberus , they prpbably added the new elements just cuz its cool, Ceberus never originally had those elements.

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      As for Cerberus , they prpbably added the new elements just cuz its cool, Ceberus never originally had those elements.

      Yes, that's why I am wondering how they'll explain it in the game. 

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    • Or CD Drama is just non canon, they said that Balrog was a demon that Dante faced even before the events of DMC5 so is another DA that he didn't sell

      We never heard CD Drama being canon and we know that just some elements of Deadly Fortune are canon (Red Queen and Blue Rose were destroyed in the novel, for example), so Cerberus being there it's no surprise, and not even the only proof that Dante keeps his DAs

      For his weapons, I believe that Cerberus and Balrog are just going to be choosed by Dante to this mission, like "I'm going with Reby ...Balrog aaaaaaand, let me see...ah, Cerberus"

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    • Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      We never heard CD Drama being canon and we know that just some elements of Deadly Fortune are canon (Red Queen and Blue Rose were destroyed in the novel, for example)

      Them being destroyed doesnt contradict anything. Nero could've easily make new Red Queen and Blue Rose.  His Red Queen for sure is modified at least.

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    • Dante Demon Killah wrote:
      Or CD Drama is just non canon, they said that Balrog was a demon that Dante faced even before the events of DMC5 so is another DA that he didn't sell

      Nothing stops it from being canon and fills in the blank about how Patty knows who Trish is. It also explains why his DA's are nowhere to be found In other installments.

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      We never heard CD Drama being canon and we know that just some elements of Deadly Fortune are canon (Red Queen and Blue Rose were destroyed in the novel, for example), so Cerberus being there it's no surprise, and not even the only proof that Dante keeps his DAs

      Blue Rose and Red Queen being destroyed isn't canon. The only canon bits are that Vergil went to Fortuna, and that Nero got a sign from Dante. At the end of the CD Drama Dante no longer owes Enzo money so he can pick up some of the old arms if he wants.

      Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      For his weapons, I believe that Cerberus and Balrog are just going to be choosed by Dante to this mission, like "I'm going with Reby ...Balrog aaaaaaand, let me see...ah, Cerberus"

      Balrog was weapon he got before DMC5 but that doesnt mean he didn't pull it from Enzo's shop. If the TGS trailer is anything to go by Dante can't pay his bills and he got cash upfront for DMC5. Until he pulls DA's out of a storage room there it can't be said that he keeps his all of his DA's

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    • Nothing stops of being canon...nothing confirms it is canon...that's up to interpretation actually, until a confirmation

      Yeah it doesn't mean that. Maybe Dante fought "Balrog" in the past (it was stated that Balrog have the power of a king of the Fire Hell), but we can say that Dante keep it even without water in his shop (lol). They can say that Dante fought him when he was in hell, for example

      Let's wait to see what the game will say about Cerberus, when I saw it using fire and eletricity, I said to myself "he fused Cerberus with his Hearts from DMC2" he had Frost Heart, Fire Heart and Electro Heart. Also, with Cerberus having this elemental powers, it's hard that we are getting any other DA with the same powers, I mean, Cerberus might cover the "Elemental" part of Dante's arsenal that he always had, not counting DMC4

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    • Cerberus having fire and electricity powers more says to me that it was fused with Nevan and Agni & Rudra rather then his elemental hearts.

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    • If Agni and Rudra are in the Staff, then it might have Wind Attacks aswell (Since only Agni is fire)

      Still, explaining that with those Hearts seems more accurate for me

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    • I really want a wind weapon...

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    • Hmm... I'll take a crack at this. 

      1. Dante keeps his DA and firearms as trophies. It's always been implied, but Lady flat out states it in DMC4 when she says humans have been hunting DAs, like the ones he has. Sparda is obviously his most powerful trophy DA. So it was focused on.

      2. Force Edge, and Sparda by extension, were created to protect humans. Dante said, for whatever reason, it'll also protect Trish when he thought her dead. So he gives it to her. Seeing as she had it in DMC2 when she's unlocked, and prominently uses it after taking it in DMC4 (pretty much everything in the games are canon), then yes. She still has it. 

      3. Sparda created Yamato and Rebellion for his sons, much like Inuyasha's dad made Tetsaiga for him and Tensaiga for Sesshomaru. Dante's ALWAYS had Rebellion and always uses it because it was made for him and grows alongside him. He only used Force Edge in DMC1 as a reminder of Vergil and if his brother ever escaped the Demon World, he'd come for it. In the ending scene of DMC3, he even says "They'll be back soon. Very soon." then he mouthes "I hope" because dude loved his brother. After DMC1, Vergil's fate was no longer unknown. So he wanted to put it all behind him. That could be another reason for giving it to Trish. He's practically depressed in DMC2 after having to kill his twin brother.

      4. Dante is actually stronger than Sparda at the point of DMC4. So, 4, 2 and 5 he definitely has no need of Sparda. Mundus is still pretty much the most powerful demon he's ever fought, and only time he's needed his father's help. As he's stronger, Rebellion is also stronger than the sword Sparda. Saying Rebellion has no feats is kinda crazy. It was a blood spell Sparda cast that sealed the Demon World, not the sword itself. Rebellion literally overflows with power, capable of firing energy beams in 3, and so saturated in 4 that Dante has to shake it off after combos. Rebellion is also the only weapon capable of Dante focusing his own power through, other than E&I. It also awakened his Devil Trigger after drinking his blood, growing in power. 

      5. From the beginning Dante has been using souls to adjust and tweak Devil Arms. So it's not too surprising for him to add elements to weapons. He's pretty much a necromancer, on top of other powerful magic. DMC4 says the souls have to be taken and tempered in order to become DA. It also takes considerable time for this to happen. He finds some DA that were already forged, but most of them he's created himself. He and Vergil can instantly turn them into DA, showing their magical abilities and skills. By the time of DMC4, Dante no longer needs to create the DA based on the abilities of the demon. He simply needs a powerful soul and can forge it however he wishes. Evidence that he's been forging them himself is clearly shown in DMC3. There is no possible way Nevan, who's been sealed in the demon world for over 2000 years would know what an electric guitar is, let alone how to turn into one. That goes double for Lucifer and ESPECIALLY Pandora. Pandora also suggests that he can bolster the power of the soul used with his own magic, as he easily disposed of all of the brothers with it almost immediately. 

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    • 2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      2. Dante said, for whatever reason, it'll also protect Trish when he thought her dead. 

      No he never said it. He simply said that the amulet he gave Trish belonged to his mother and after leaving Force Edge there, he then said that his father is here too. Nothing about protecting her.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      3. Sparda created Yamato and Rebellion for his sons, much like Inuyasha's dad made Tetsaiga for him and Tensaiga for Sesshomaru. 

      Sparda created only Rebellion for Dante, we saw him wielding Yamato in the first game, so that's wrong as well.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      4. Dante is actually stronger than Sparda at the point of DMC4.

      Not quite, there are rumors that he might be stronger than Sparda, but it was never confirmed. About 2 and 5. Yea he is stronger there.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      As he's stronger, Rebellion is also stronger than the sword Sparda. 

      That's also your own headcanon, the DMC 5 seems to suggest otherwise.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      There is no possible way Nevan, who's been sealed in the demon world for over 2000 years would know what an electric guitar is, let alone how to turn into one. That goes double for Lucifer and ESPECIALLY Pandora.

      Demon world might be wayyyy more technologically advanced than human world, dont forget that in DMC 5 trailer, we can see giant mecha-demon.

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    • 2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote: Hmm... I'll take a crack at this. 

      1. Dante keeps his DA and firearms as trophies. It's always been implied, but Lady flat out states it in DMC4 when she says humans have been hunting DAs, like the ones he has. Sparda is obviously his most powerful trophy DA. So it was focused on.

      Never stated or implied. The CD Drama that takes place during the anime says that Dante sells them to Enzo. Dante was in possession of 2 Devil Arms when she made thats statement and there is no reason to believe that she was refering to other ones.

      Sparda is also not a "trophy." It is one of the most powerful items in the DMCverse and its his by bloodright. Trish primarily uses it but he trusts her to have it for safekeeping.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      2. Force Edge, and Sparda by extension, were created to protect humans.

      No it wasnt. It was a eapon Sparda had before his revolt.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      Dante said, for whatever reason, it'll also protect Trish when he thought her dead. So he gives it to her.

      He didnt leave it to "protect". He left it there as symbolic gesture.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      Seeing as she had it in DMC2 when she's unlocked, and prominently uses it after taking it in DMC4 (pretty much everything in the games are canon), then yes. She still has it. 

      Trish's appearance in 2 is non-canon

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      3. Sparda created Yamato and Rebellion for his sons, much like Inuyasha's dad made Tetsaiga for him and Tensaiga for Sesshomaru.

      Sparda did not create Yamato for Vergil. We dont know how Sparda came into possession of Yamato but he had it 2000 years before Vergil was born.

      Also Inuyasha's dad didnt make either swords for either son. He had them at least before Inuyashas birth. He chose to pass to them their respective swords to teach them lessons.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      He only used Force Edge in DMC1 as a reminder of Vergil and if his brother ever escaped the Demon World, he'd come for it.

      You can believe this if you want but i just want to point out that its speculation.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      In the ending scene of DMC3, he even says "They'll be back soon. Very soon." then he mouthes "I hope" because dude loved his brother.

      This didnt happen.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      After DMC1, Vergil's fate was no longer unknown. So he wanted to put it all behind him. That could be another reason for giving it to Trish. He's practically depressed in DMC2 after having to kill his twin brother.

      He is just fine in DMC4 which is after 1 and before 2 so this theory doesnt work.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      4. Dante is actually stronger than Sparda at the point of DMC4. So, 4, 2 and 5 he definitely has no need of Sparda. Mundus is still pretty much the most powerful demon he's ever fought, and only time he's needed his father's help. As he's stronger, Rebellion is also stronger than the sword Sparda. Saying Rebellion has no feats is kinda crazy.

      Speculation

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      It was a blood spell Sparda cast that sealed the Demon World, not the sword itself.

      The sword was used to strengthen the seal

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      Rebellion literally overflows with power, capable of firing energy beams in 3, and so saturated in 4 that Dante has to shake it off after combos.

      In DMC1 Sparda was the same way. Also in 4:SE Sparda does all that and more to a much greater extent.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      Rebellion is also the only weapon capable of Dante focusing his own power through, other than E&I. It also awakened his Devil Trigger after drinking his blood, growing in power. 

      Dante can focus his power into anything. He does it with his shotguns, the grenade launcher in DMC1, Pandora in DMC4, and a motorcycle in the anime.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      5. From the beginning Dante has been using souls to adjust and tweak Devil Arms.

      No. This was never a thing.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      DMC4 says the souls have to be taken and tempered in order to become DA.

      The DMC4 novel says this, and it is non-canon. Even if it was, it doesnt say that when someone can choose or customize Devil Arms or forge them into anything different than what they manifest into.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      There is no possible way Nevan, who's been sealed in the demon world for over 2000 years would know what an electric guitar is, let alone how to turn into one. That goes double for Lucifer and ESPECIALLY Pandora.

      All of this is flatout wrong.

      • in Nevan's chambers there are literal speaker systems on her stage. Being sealed in the tower doesnt mean she has no way of learning of the outside world.
      • Artemis and Nightmare Beta, are demonic firearms. According to the CD Drama demonic firearms have been a thing for a long, long time.
      • Claiming Pandora cant possibly form guns is flatout wrong considering we werent ever told when it became a Devil Arm or whether or not Pandora had been to the human world
      • Why is Lucifer relevant?? It isnt a modern... anything. Its basically a stylized scabbard that makes a buncha swords. Also we werent told when Lucifer became a DA or whether or not he had been to the human world.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:9DC3:F4EE:DFA3:AE67 wrote:

      Pandora also suggests that he can bolster the power of the soul used with his own magic, as he easily disposed of all of the brothers with it almost immediately. 

      This claim is based on what exactly? Because Dante was the only shown user so there is nothing to compare Pandora's power to otherwise.

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    • Gonna reply to both at the same time here.

      DMC4:SE Lady flat out says that the cult that worships Sparda is collecting Devils Arms "just like the ones you keep here". But please do tell me how her implying he has a collection, and all the many weapons stabbed into demons on his walls, doesn't prove he keeps any of them, yet not proving that he doesn't. It's hanging in a trophy case and he NEVER uses it, but allows Trish to use it. Yes, it's his birthright, but that just means it's his to do whatever he sees fit with. He hangs it up. At the end of DMC3, you even see him beginning his collection. It's not just Devils Arms, but also demons that he preserves. Dante kills demons with no humanity, and humans that have forsaken humanity. He keeps Devils Arms OUT of reach of either ( 3, 4 and anime show this), especially ones as powerful as he's created. Don't try to say it's just my headcannon, then say he sells them or something like that. That's asinine. He has a collection. In 4, he was even going to take Yamato back, but trusted it to Nero. 

      Sparda also used Rebellion... That doesn't change that both swords were intended for his sons. DMC1 has demons that battled alongside and against Sparda that say he's his father's equal and may even be more powerful. So at the very LEAST he IS his equal, but the narrative doesn't hint at him being an equal, it always hints at him being more powerful. Narrative lore surpasses a character's perspective in any story. That doesn't matter here do as both say the same thing. Until you actually know the story and details of DMC5, don't try to use it to disprove anything.That's like a blatant display of headcannon, but you try to say I'm doing it? The only thing we know for sure about DMC5 is Nero doesn't have the Devil Bringer and it takes place after DMC2.

      We've been in the Demon World in DMC3. It wasn't that advanced. Dante creates his Devils Arms as he sees fit excluding DMC2 but especially in DMC4. Or are you REALLY gonna tell me an  Angler Ice Frog with feelers that look like nude women, automatically equals a briefcase that turns into 666 weapons, firing lasers, rockets, turns into a controllable thrown glaive like blade, rocket crossbow, etc? How a centaur-ish flame demon with a giant flame sword becoming a backpack type thing containing infinite energy swords, which remain anywhere Dante places them, even floating midair. and continues to create a pointless rose for him to hold in his mouth? How does a giant plant snake with a tongue that's also the top half of a women, that constants spawns parasitic plant creatues become metal, bladed, puncturing body armor and melee weapons with literal explosive power? Dude, DMC4 the cult flat out SAYS they can create them how they see fit. The Cutlass enemy? Y'know, the swimming shark like beings that turn into giant swords? Those are considered Devils Arms they created. The same with the living armor. It's in the bloody file descriptions in game. 

      But I'm gonna ignore the second guy being you're just flat out denying crap in the game. We don't know when they were created? SERIOUSLY?! Dante killed the demons and made those weapons right there.

      https://youtu.be/-KsGYcSp9Lw?t=185

      Dude mouthes "I hope". There's no such thing as "not canon" to DMC. Otherwise, they would've erased DMC2. Not speculation. That was stated in interviews leading up to DMC3's release. Not to mention it was a novel where Dante made it clear that Nero was Vergil's son. "Based on what exactly?" The Frog demon had brothers. He warned Nero about them and Nero closed the gate on them. We see all of them coming. That's the one boss demon Nero actually killed instead of chase off. All of the brothers came out after Dante's fight, which showed that demon having the same abilities as the other one. He obliterated them all using Pandora's many different forms in a matter of seconds. So yes, after changing the soul to have powers it didn't have in life, he also boosted its power. Then... y'know... he LITERALLY collects souls to enhance his Devils Arms and abilites throughout the games. You're saying a lot of stuff that very clearly happened "never happened". Have you even PLAYED the games? Sounds like you're just going through wiki info. I'm literally doing a playthrough now since I already had DMC4:SE and just got the HD collection on the Steam Autumn sale. So this info is fresh in my mind.

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    • The message that you've just posted is soooo big mess that I literally can't find a single answer to my points. If there's one to begin with.

      You also mistook the point about Yamato being used by the Sparda in the past (You said that he used Rebellion which is untrue).

      Sparda used Yamato in the past but HE FORGED REBELLION just for Dante. We dont know from where Vergil got Yamato or if it was ever intended for him to have it at all.

      You also claimed that Dante mouthes "I hope", which is also untrue and your own headcanon. He only opened his mouth, we dont know what he has said... It could be anything.

      So please if you're gonna keep this conversation, at least dont mix up stuff.

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    • 2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote: Gonna reply to both at the same time here.

      DMC4:SE Lady flat out says that the cult that worships Sparda is collecting Devils Arms "just like the ones you keep here". But please do tell me how her implying he has a collection, and all the many weapons stabbed into demons on his walls, doesn't prove he keeps any of them, yet not proving that he doesn't.

      Proof that those are Devil Arms or that she is referring to anything other than Sparda and Rebellion

      If you are going to quote characters, use their actual quotes, not paraphrase

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      It's hanging in a trophy case and he NEVER uses it, but allows Trish to use it. Yes, it's his birthright, but that just means it's his to do whatever he sees fit with. He hangs it up.

      Its not in a Trophy case, its on a wall mount. He had Force Edge on a wall mount in DMC1 but that was his go-to weapon at the time.

      Hung up=/=trophy.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      At the end of DMC3, you even see him beginning his collection. It's not just Devils Arms, but also demons that he preserves.

      Again, proof those are Devil Arms?

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      He keeps Devils Arms OUT of reach of either ( 3, 4 and anime show this), especially ones as powerful as he's created.

      Aside from Yamato and Sparda he has never stated a or shown a desire to keep Devil Arms away from certain people. You are applying one statement he made about 1 DA (a very special DA) to all DA's and thats ia fallacy.

      Devil Arms dont even show up in the anime aside from Rebellion so i have no idea what you are referencing.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      Don't try to say it's just my headcannon, then say he sells them or something like that. That's asinine.

      It is your headcanon. There is officially released DMC content that says he sells them to Enzo at his pawn shop. He does this because he had to cut off Enso's arm and feels bad so he pays Enzo to hold them at the pawn shop.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      He has a collection. In 4, he was even going to take Yamato back, but trusted it to Nero. 

      He was going to take Yamato back because it was stupid powerful and could open the Hellgate. At the end of DMC4 that Hellgate was destroyed and he felt Nero deserved it so there was no danger in leaving it with him.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      Sparda also used Rebellion... That doesn't change that both swords were intended for his sons.

      There is actually nothing in the lore or gameplay to suggest Sparda actually used Rebellion. Even if he did, as a manifestation of Dante's power, it couldnt have existed prior to Dante's conception. Yamato was left for Vergil but it wasnt its original purpose.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      DMC1 has demons that battled alongside and against Sparda that say he's his father's equal and may even be more powerful. So at the very LEAST he IS his equal, but the narrative doesn't hint at him being an equal, it always hints at him being more powerful. Narrative lore surpasses a character's perspective in any story. That doesn't matter here do as both say the same thing.

      Fought alongside Sparda? Sparda was never stated to be a part of Mundus' army.

      Many demons in DMC1 claim that Dante was Spardas equal but DMC1 debunked this when Dante faught Mundus. Dante+Sparda's power could not defeat Mundus and when Dante didnt have Sparda's power, Mundus was going to kill him.

      If Mundus and Sparda were equals then Dante+Sparda Sword would have been twice as strong as Mundus and he would have gotten stomped, but thats not what happened.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      Until you actually know the story and details of DMC5, don't try to use it to disprove anything.That's like a blatant display of headcannon, but you try to say I'm doing it? The only thing we know for sure about DMC5 is Nero doesn't have the Devil Bringer and it takes place after DMC2.

      Until you know the story and details of 5 then you shouldnt be trying to prove/disprove anything either.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      We've been in the Demon World in DMC3. It wasn't that advanced.

      Have you seen Temen-Ni-Gru? It has rooms with advanced gears and it transforms. Even today we dont have building that shift parts like that. Also it had a laser gun in it. It also has a railway system.

      Oh and Geryon had missiles and explosives and stuff and other firearms.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      Dante creates his Devils Arms as he sees fit excluding DMC2 but especially in DMC4. Or are you REALLY gonna tell me an  Angler Ice Frog with feelers that look like nude women, automatically equals a briefcase that turns into 666 weapons, firing lasers, rockets, turns into a controllable thrown glaive like blade, rocket crossbow, etc?

      Pandora is made from Dagons soul.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      How a centaur-ish flame demon with a giant flame sword becoming a backpack type thing containing infinite energy swords, which remain anywhere Dante places them, even floating midair. and continues to create a pointless rose for him to hold in his mouth?

      Lucifer isnt made from Barials soul

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      How does a giant plant snake with a tongue that's also the top half of a women, that constants spawns parasitic plant creatues become metal, bladed, puncturing body armor and melee weapons with literal explosive power?

      Gilgamesh isnt made from Echidna's soul.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      Dude, DMC4 the cult flat out SAYS they can create them how they see fit. The Cutlass enemy? Y'know, the swimming shark like beings that turn into giant swords? Those are considered Devils Arms they created. The same with the living armor. It's in the bloody file descriptions in game. 

      Those are not Devil Arms they are demons and they cannot be altered on a whim. They need time to amd processes to change them.

      Agnus says they can create demons by binding demonic power. No one ever said they can create Devil Arms.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      But I'm gonna ignore the second guy being you're just flat out denying crap in the game. We don't know when they were created? SERIOUSLY?! Dante killed the demons and made those weapons right there.

      You need to watch those cutscenes again because after he kills those demons, the souls that become his Devil Arms were at the base of the Hellgates. Nowhere near where Dante or the demons he killed were at.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      https://youtu.be/-KsGYcSp9Lw?t=185

      Dude mouthes "I hope".

      If thats how you interperate that animation then whatevs but all i see is him starting to cry.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      There's no such thing as "not canon" to DMC.

      There absolutely is:

      • DMC Volume 1(the novel) is mostly non-canon due to irreconcilable differences with DMC3.
      • The Dreamwave comics have a bunch of differences with the original DMC1 and is not acknowledged as being in continuity.
      • DMC4 Deadly Fortune also has some irreconcilable differences with the game and is also not acknowledged as being in continuity.
      • DmC is not canon to the orignal series.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      Otherwise, they would've erased DMC2.

      This doesnt make sense. The existance of non-canon material doesnt mean they are going to throw an entire game of the franchise out of continuity. Its also bad for business.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      Not speculation. That was stated in interviews leading up to DMC3's release.

      Links?

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      Not to mention it was a novel where Dante made it clear that Nero was Vergil's son.

      IIRC it wasnt Dante who outright stated it. Just because it was in a novel doesnt mean the novel is canon. Most of the stuff from the novel was originally intended to be in the game in the first place, so concepts from the novel being used doesnt make the novel canon.

      DMC4:SE had the chance to make a lot of that stuff official to the game and it wasnt, so Capcom wants the events of DMC4 to have happened as shown in the game and not in other adaptations.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      You're saying a lot of stuff that very clearly happened "never happened". Have you even PLAYED the games? Sounds like you're just going through wiki info.

      Yes i played the games and have thoroughly examined the cutsenes. Sometimes frame-by-frame.

      2600:1702:2780:1F30:A827:3EAD:A0E6:12EC wrote:

      I'm literally doing a playthrough now since I already had DMC4:SE and just got the HD collection on the Steam Autumn sale. So this info is fresh in my mind.

      I have and played all the original PS2 releases, DMC4 and 4:SE and the HD Collection. I have played these games and watched the cutscenes over and over to break down and analyze them for discussion and even when i know i am right, i double check my own claims and those of others, it would benefit you to do the same.

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