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  • LegionZero
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    10:32, April 3, 2019

    I feel like crying when i saw the Rebellion shattering into pieces after Urizen sent Dante flying away!! I hope it can be revived back to life with much more strength to slice Urizen into pieces like he did to it!😭😭😭😈😈

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    • If Dante can get all or most of the peices i dont see why not. Nero fixed Yamato and he didnt own it nor was it the manifestation of his power

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    • Should we be talking about leaks tho... If so, wouldnt it be safer to make one big Leak-talking blog, for people that dislike spoilers to avoid them?

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    • I feel like the forums are free ground. But you have a point. Ill hit up Jay and see what we can do

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    • Yep

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    • Im like 90% sure lets Trish use it and if he wanted it back she would return it

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    • Yea but still I got kinda attached to Rebellion in all of these years, I would assume Dante would be as well.

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    • Yep

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    • If Rebellion being gone meant Dante using Force Edge, I will be fine with it as well. Same with Alastor. To be honest now that I think about it, I dont like Rebellion that much...

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    • Rebellion is the GOAT.

      Alastor is overrated. There. I said it.

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    • Now what if Dante reforged Rebellion with Alastor as a foundation, merging both swords :I ?

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    • Yep

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    • Alastor is overrated

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    • LegionZero wrote: Alastor is awesome

      Fixed

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    • LegionZero wrote:
      Alastor is overrated

      Well... Give Alastor to Trish then. It should amplify her and her DT, shouldnt it? Or Lady... Lady with DT.... 

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    • CeriumEcstatic wrote:

      LegionZero wrote: Alastor is awesome

      Fixed

      Mmmm nope Alastor is overrated. As hell.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Well... Give Alastor to Trish then. It should amplify her and her DT, shouldnt it?

      Not necessarily. It would give her more lightning i suppose but she is already has all the powers and abilities Alastor provides. Sparda is just an overall better weapon and geves he a few moves she wouldnt have otherwise.

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    • Yea but with it could've stacked with her lighting, multiplying her power... Or give her better looking DT at least... Just like it did with Dante.

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    • You assume it would multiply her power just because its the same element. Sparda will always be ther better choice because it is significantly stronger. It hits as hard as DT Alastor.

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    • Yep

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    • I would like him to replace Rebellion with a relevant weapon, like Sparda

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    • I mean that's my point. Give Dante Sparda to wield in main campaign and if Trish will ever be playable in Special Edition or DLC, then give her Alastor instead of Sparda.

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    • Well we actually have seen some Footage with Dante wielding Sparda in DMC5 so...

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    • Ballazan wrote:
      Well we actually have seen some Footage with Dante wielding Sparda in DMC5 so...

      Yea sadly it appears to be the just the reskin of the Rebellion (in the sense that it have the same moves, and it's not changing Dante's DT).

      Also I love your Overlord avatar.

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    • That is true but weren't Sparda in DMC1 just a slightly altered Reskin of Force Edge? And thank you.

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    • Yea but it I kinda wanted it to be... ya know... more unique.. Or at least for it to Change Dante's DT to Sparda's DT (like it did in DMC 1/3) But no :(

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    • It wasnt. It actually had moves that Force Edge didnt and was way stronger

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    • Ok fair enough to both of you. I must admit i kinda wanted his Majin Form to return so...

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    • LegionZero wrote:
      It wasnt. It actually had moves that Force Edge didnt and was way stronger

      Ir has the same moves, just takes the form of an axe or a scythe during some of them. And the DT is different obivously. I guess the only new move is when he shoots fire balls from his arms instead of using Ebony & Ivory during DT.

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    • In DMX1, Force Edge doesnt have Round Trip, Stinger, or DT

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    • Um.. Kalvin? I think he means BEFORE we get the perfect Amulet. And yeah it didn't do jack before then or even after.

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    • Yep

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    • He seem to start with Rebellion but i must admit the Design changes have a alittle confused..

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    • Speculation from me - new design of Sparda actually resembles a fusion between Sparda and Rebellion to me. Possibly the new Sparda is to Rebellion what the old Sparda was to Force Edge.

      Also, yeah DMC1 Force Edge just sucks. You just can't go far with just High Time and Helm Breaker.

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    • So this new Sparta is Rebellion's Final Form?

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    • LegionZero wrote:
      In DMX1, Force Edge doesnt have Round Trip, Stinger, or DT

      Those were copied moves from Alastor. They're not "new" moves exclusive to Sparda that weren't availabe in the game prior to that. And I do wish Sparda has new moves in DMC5 that's not rehashed from Rebellion, I'm saying it's nothing new to DMC to reuse moves. At least this won't be a Rebellion/Merciless/Vendetta situation, since DMC5 Dante probably has the most diverse arsenal of moves across the board that he's ever had.

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    • Kruggov wrote: Speculation from me - new design of Sparda actually resembles a fusion between Sparda and Rebellion to me. Possibly the new Sparda is to Rebellion what the old Sparda was to Force Edge.

      Also, yeah DMC1 Force Edge just sucks. You just can't go far with just High Time and Helm Breaker.

      Nope. In the trailers Trish has Sparda while Dante has Rebellion and it looks the same.

      KalvinEllis wrote:

      Those were copied moves from Alastor. They're not "new" moves that were exclusive to Sparda.

      The end of the 5 hit combo has a different finisher. Everything Alastor has except for Round Trip, Stinger, and DT moves came from Force Edge's moveset.

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    • So we're in agreement that rehashing the vast majority of old moves is nothing new for this franchise then? We haven't seen Sparda's entire moveset yet, so who's to say it won't have some different moves from Rebellion.

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    • There is gameplay of Dante with Sparda and all it does all the same stuff as Rebellion.

      I wish Rebellion would get some new moves

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    • Like I said, we haven't seen all the moves, yet. They didn't show all the Cerberus or all Cavaliere moves either. I honestly don't get what's the big deal. Sparda has emulated other swords' moveset for years now, I don't understand why anyone would think Sparda would suddenly have different combos from Rebellion just because it's going to be the new default weapon.

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    • Except there is no confirmation that we havent seen all the moves for the main 3 DA's yet. There is at least 30 minutes worth of gameplay of basically maxed out Dante.

      KalvinEllis wrote:
      Sparda has emulated other swords' moveset for years now, I don't understand why anyone would think Sparda would suddenly have different combos from Rebellion just because it's going to be the new default weapon.

      Because its long past due that it gets its own moveset. Even Trish in 4:SE had some unique stuff going on with Sparda. For Dante, its Swordmaster moveset could revolve around having more transformation based attacks.

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    • LegionZero wrote:
      Except there is no confirmation that we havent seen all the moves for the main 3 DA's yet. There is at least 30 minutes worth of gameplay of basically maxed out Dante.

      And we don't know that for sure. I doubt they would want to reveal his entire moveset five months prior to the game's release.

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    • They're already revealing movesets for other weapons tho. :T

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    • They did it for Trish/Lady/Vergil before 4SE dropped

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    • REBELLION IS ALIVE AND REFORGED!!!!

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    • Wait.. You mean that new sword we see Dante with in some of the Trailers are...REBELLION!?

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    • It might be Rebellion reforged with Sparda sword.  Keyword is... might.

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    • Huh. An interesting idea there Meshifuari.

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    • Thanks

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    • Something I saw people say is that since saparda force edge yamato and rebellion are embodiments of Spardas power what if fragments of rebellion or hell even Sparda after V stabs Dante could turn into his new sword so people calling it Dante as its an embodiment of Dante's power 

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    • Rebellion and Yamato are not embodiments of Sparda's power. Only Force Edge is.

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    • Yamato haven't been revived back to life with much more strength. It just revived back to life with it's full strength. :P

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    • So no more Rebellion in crossovers like MVC or Capcom All-Stars? If only Devil Sword Dante can at least "disguise" itself as Rebellion, Sparda, or Force Edge...

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    • InazumAzure wrote:
      So no more Rebellion in crossovers like MVC or Capcom All-Stars? If only Devil Sword Dante can at least "disguise" itself as Rebellion, Sparda, or Force Edge...

      Np they still can put it to the crossover. He still had the Rebellion in the game just got it broken. Fuck Rebellion, why people like the sword is better. Seriously even while there is Sparda, man. These people're giving me hell.

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    • rebellion could be remade, just unlikely as its fused with sparda to make Devil Sword Dante now, rebellion just isnt as good anymore

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    • Kagekun101 wrote:
      rebellion could be remade, just unlikely as its fused with sparda to make Devil Sword Dante now, rebellion just isnt as good anymore

      Rebellion didn't fused with Sparda to make Devil Sword Dante. Dante absorbed it and reformed it in another shape. I haven't played the game but in the cutscene it doesn't show that it fused with Sparda. I think he still has Sparda. Yes, when you compare it with Devil Sword Dante, it's just not that good.

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    • Sadly Sparda also got absorbed when Dante absorbed the Rebellion. Griffon even says so in the Cutscene

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    • I am more sad about Sparda than Rebellion tbh. Sparda sword was with us in every single game (DmC excluded) and it was the weapon that saved Dante's butt a few times. 

      Sparda being absorbed by Dante makes me sad, but if it truly is the last DMC game then I understand their decision.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      I am more sad about Sparda than Rebellion tbh. Sparda sword was with us in every single game (DmC excluded) and it was the weapon that saved Dante's butt a few times. 

      Sparda being absorbed by Dante makes me sad, but if it truly is the last DMC game then I understand their decision.

      Sparda wasn't in Devil May Cry 3 also.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      I am more sad about Sparda than Rebellion tbh. Sparda sword was with us in every single game (DmC excluded) and it was the weapon that saved Dante's butt a few times. 

      Sparda being absorbed by Dante makes me sad, but if it truly is the last DMC game then I understand their decision.

      Sparda wasn't in Devil May Cry 3 also.

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    • 95.10.20.134 wrote:

      Sparda wasn't in Devil May Cry 3 also.

      It was in DMC3 as Force Edge

      95.10.20.134 wrote:

      Nope. Griffon(I don't think it called Griffon but so be it) says "You are Sparda." Not "Sparda absorbed." lol.

      Please play the game or watch the cutscenes before speaking.

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    • 95.10.20.134 wrote:

      Sparda wasn't in Devil May Cry 3 also.

      It was in Devil May Cry 3 as Force Edge. I count both Force Edge and Devil Sword Sparda as one thing. 

      Well we all do on this wiki.

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    • Justaguyx wrote:

      Nope. It wasn't Sparda, Force Edge doesn't count since it was closed version.

      Your problem then. I don't.

      By going with your logic Rebellion (dormant) and Rebellion that awakened are two different blades.

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      I have fucking watched the cutscene I am talking about, so please shut up and don't tell me what to do.

      And how to fuck seperate quotes?

      Calm down and show respect for others. This is the basis of conversation.

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    • Sparda and Force Edge are the same sword.

      The same way that Cavaliere is still Cavaliere regardless of its form

      Same way Balrog is Balrog regardless of its form

      Same way Rebellion is Rebellion regardless of its form

      Same way King Cerberus is K.C. regardless of its form.

      Justaguyx wrote:

      I have fucking watched the cutscene I am talking about, so please shut up and don't tell me what to do. And go play the game or watch the cutscenes before speaking because I know what I'm talking about.

      Apparantly not because Griffon says word for word "you are... absorbing the Sparda"

      Justaguyx wrote:

      You can't tell me what to fucking do. I won't calm down and show respect for other if they tell me stupid things. I don't fucking give a fuck about basis of conversation.

      You will start giving a fuck, calm down and show respect or i will ban you.

      Justaguyx wrote:

      Maybe you'd be better if you actually answer questions here instead of being a moral police.

      Maybe you would be better not being an asshole so you dont have to be policed.

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    • I can ban your IP as well. Peace out girl scout.

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    • Everyone was being respectful here until you started cursing at other users for no reason. No i will not answer your question because you are being an asshole. if you want respect act like you deserve some.

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    • IP range blocks exist. I saw them in use, and let's just say they got the banned guy HEAVILY beat on by completely innocent users who suddenly got blocked just for using IPs from the same range.

      Don't antagonize the admins to get range-blocked, please.

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    • Just a guy.. More like a simple fool..Dude shit talking like phantom gunna get swept away like phantom  you're the one antagonizing us for at first POLITELY... Correcting your mistakes, yet you bitch at everyone saying were all AS A GROUP  wrong when 

      1 YOURE THE ONE BEING AN ASS!

      2 if you actually paid attention to the cutscene griffon says "whoa..you're.. Absorbing the Sparda".

      3 the Sparda is the force edge dmc1 even states that Sparda is technically just true form of the force edge.

      4 V's summons are in fact AND canonically stated Griffon Shadow and Nightmare even as far as having their old memories of Mallet island.

      5 you don't have to be a dick bro... Come on we didn't say you were dumb or anything all we did was correct a simple mistake I mistook rebellion and yamato for embodiments of sparda's power legion corrected me.. You don't see me butt hurt about it..because unlike you I take being corrected politely as the fact is  well people make mistakes, no one is perfect.

      Lastly... Seriously.. You antagonize the mods on here, that's like DmC Dante walking up to DMC 5 Dante and saying Fuck you I'm the real Dante



      Legion if you see this and think I went overboard, let me know alright thanks man, and I hope just a guy here finally gets it that he was the one acting like an ass

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    • I don't know what is going on here... All I'm asking is will Rebellion be in the next MVC/Capcom All-Stars? Or will Devil Sword Sparda replace Rebellion from now on? And then the chaos happened. Guess I'm a jinx then. I'm bad luck! Sorry for the commotion :(

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    • If its DMC5 Dante he will have DS Dante

      Any other version will prolly have Rebellion

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    • Justaguyx wrote:

      You can't tell me what to fucking do. I won't calm down and show respect for other if they tell me stupid things. I don't fucking give a fuck about basis of conversation.

      This is why you were banned. This was your response for being asked to show even basic respect and human decency to other people. This was befaore anyone called you anything. You were being overly aggressive and disrespectful. You willingly and overtly said you will not be respectful, which is an asshole thing to do and were belittling other people because you THOUGHT you knew what you were talking about.

      And you are such a sad creature you are going to restart your router every time you want to comment just to keep being an asshole. Seriously, get a life.

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    • 😣😡 Legion, sir, I was attacked by Justaguyx again; in my wall! Why should I be treated like this for no reason? Why? I'm totally knackered & guttered because of him!

      Thread:19509

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    • Why do I keep seeing escalation?

      Just ignore the troll, he will get bored and leave.

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    • Do not play victim. No one is picking on you. You are being rude and when we asked you politely to stop, you started cursing us out, calling others morons, and calling what they say stupid.

      You started this, and instead of applogizing for being rude you keep digging your hole deeper.

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    • Hey guys sorry about all that. I made a change to the wiki that might prevent this guys comments. No promises though, i was rtying to get help from the higher-ups at wikia but i havent gotten a response.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Hey guys sorry about all that. I made a change to the wiki that might prevent this guys comments. No promises though, i was rtying to get help from the higher-ups at wikia but i havent gotten a response.

      Just ban that mf’s ip address. Then he wont bug this place again. Such a scumbag that person is

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    • The dude will just reset his IP just to be a dickless troll beat we can do now is just ignore him



      Anyways basically DSD is pretty much rebellion and Sparda combined into one sword and is powerful as all Frick fraggin hell

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    • Tawheed B. Rafsan wrote:

      LegionZero wrote: Hey guys sorry about all that. I made a change to the wiki that might prevent this guys comments. No promises though, i was rtying to get help from the higher-ups at wikia but i havent gotten a response.

      Just ban that mf’s ip address. Then he wont bug this place again. Such a scumbag that person is

      He is pretty much gone so it would be best if we not acknowledge his existence anymore, lest he have 15 free minutes and make a new email for a new account.

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    • Legion cant you lock down old threads?

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    • It does make me wonder if Trish is going to rely more on martial arts now that she no longer has the Sparda or if she'll get her own unique weapon or Devil Arm.

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    • I think that she'll get her own new weapon (possibly Devil Arm) same with Lady.

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    • Ryu Heishin wrote:
      It does make me wonder if Trish is going to rely more on martial arts now that she no longer has the Sparda or if she'll get her own unique weapon or Devil Arm.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      I think that she'll get her own new weapon (possibly Devil Arm) same with Lady.

      Think of Capcom All-Stars with Trish and Lady(still having Kalina Ann) with different weapons...

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    • Maybe she will make a weapon of her own essence/power, not that she really needs it since she channels her power just fine but some gold Braces/shin guards would look snazzy as fuck on her.

      As for Lady, she better have Nico trick her weapons the fuck out. Or build her some gadgets. Like, knives that vibrate at high speeds so she can cut demons.

      Or anti-demon gloves, coated in demonic metals or that produce shockwaves, like a weaker Gerbera. O and she can bring them together to produce a laser beam.

      Or repulser gloves.

      Screw it, give her War Machine armor.

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      Screw it, give her War Machine armor.

      I like where this is going...

      Lady: "Vergil" 

      Trish: "Dante"

      Devil May Cry 6: Infinite war

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    • LegionZero wrote:
      Maybe she will make a weapon of her own essence/power, not that she really needs it since she channels her power just fine but some gold Braces/shin guards would look snazzy as fuck on her.

      As for Lady, she better have Nico trick her weapons the fuck out. Or build her some gadgets. Like, knives that vibrate at high speeds so she can cut demons.

      Or anti-demon gloves, coated in demonic metals or that produce shockwaves, like a weaker Gerbera. O and she can bring them together to produce a laser beam.

      Or repulser gloves.

      Screw it, give her War Machine armor.

      Now that's what I'm talking about! Lady with Anti-Demon Exosuit Armor! YES PLEASE!

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    • But if we're all being serious here... She will probably get Kalina Ann 3... with more functions than KA and KA2.

      Trish will get something that can be used as Sparda...so probably Alastor. It could also boost her lighting itself.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Trish will get something that can be used as Sparda...so probably Alastor. It could also boost her lighting itself.

      Shes perfectly fine not using a sword. DMC1, the anime, and 4:SE shows that she is more than capable of. I dont remember if i talked to you about it, but Trish+Alastor is boooorring. Shes probably stronger than Alastor so the boost would be sad. If anything she would augment Alastor. I dont think she wouldnt gain any new abilities since her main power is lightning.

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    • The anime shows that she without sword is... equal to Lady... not really a good feat.

      Trish + Alastor is not booooring at all. And I am p.sure that she's not stronger than Alastor either. Trish was shocked when Dante has defeated Phantom. She wasnt close to Griffon or Nightmare, that's why she had to perform sneak attack on him to begin with. So the power boost wouldnt be sad at all.

      Besides with Alastor she would get EVEN greater control over Thunder. We saw what Cavaliere was capable of doing... (Teleporting, shooting bolts of light, summoning a giant thunder from the sky, charging the blade with electricity). If Alastor would've allowed Trish to do all of that, then it's more than worth it.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      The anime shows that she without sword is... equal to Lady... not really a good feat.

      She was holding back against Lady. A lot. She gave Dante a bare-handed beatdown and casually threw a motorcycle in DMC1

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Trish + Alastor is not booooring at all. And I am p.sure that she's not stronger than Alastor either. Trish was shocked when Dante has defeated Phantom. She wasnt close to Griffon or Nightmare, that's why she had to perform sneak attack on him to begin with. So the power boost wouldnt be sad at all.

      She was shocked that Dante beat Phantom but that doesnt mean she isnt stronger or weaker than Phantom herself, or any other boss for that matter.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Besides with Alastor she would get EVEN greater control over Thunder. We saw what Cavaliere was capable of doing... (Teleporting,

      Trish can do that already

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      shooting bolts of light

      That is electricity, it has the same particles that come after Cavalieres swings. Trish can already shoot lightning bolts

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      summoning a giant thunder from the sky,

      This might be the only one she cant do.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      charging the blade with electricity).

      Trish can already do that

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      If Alastor would've allowed Trish to do all of that, then it's more than worth it.

      Alastor cant do some of the things you listed. In fact, those might be abilities related to the armor

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    • LegionZero wrote: She was holding back against Lady. A lot. She gave Dante a bare-handed beatdown and casually threw a motorcycle in DMC1

      Oh please. There's literally no proof that she was holding back against Lady at ALL. Her "surprise attack" on Dante did not affected him AT all (despite the scream). He laughed at it and then with a few bullets he managed to get upper hand easily and take her down.

      She was shocked that Dante beat Phantom but that doesnt mean she isnt stronger or weaker than Phantom herself, or any other boss for that matter.

      She had to resort to once again.. a sneak attack during his battle with Nightmare.. and once Nightmare was done, she was done.

      Alastor cant do some of the things you listed. In fact, those might be abilities related to the armor

      Summoning a giant thunder from the sky is Alastor ability that was shown in cutscene, so that would be a minor upgrade. However that was not my point, my point is that even if Alastor is not capable of doing something and neither is Trish... By combining their powers they might be able to do wayyy more stuff that they couldnt achieve normally. Thunder wave of energy or force field, etc... just examples.

      Another thing to bring up is...

      Trish without a weapon is, for sure, not as strong as you think she is. She doesnt have much feats to begin with (other than shocking Dante twice when he wasnt expecting it and taking down a lot of lesser demons... but hey even Soldier from DMC5 took down a few Empusas). 

      • She never took down any giant boss-like demon,
      • She was barely taking upper hand against lady in hand-to-hand combat,(normal human), and even if you say that she was holding back, you can see that she was tired... against normal human... that is usually fighting just with guns.
      • Dante has one-shooted hunderds of Trishes in DMC Novel that were made by Mundus from different dimension (he was even more powerful than normal Mundus and he managed to defeat Sparda from different dimension)
        • Whats even funnier... the Trishes from different dimension were using Alastor-like-weapon. 
      • Leaving Trish without any weapon... lorewise and powerscalling wise, would be a bad idea.
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    • Why not have Trish with Pandora?

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    • That would be cool. But I think that Dante might have sold it.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote: That would be cool. But I think that Dante might have sold it.

      Trish can buy/rent them from Enzo. She did it with Artemis

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Oh please. There's literally no proof that she was holding back against Lady at ALL.

      DMC1 is the proof. Lady said she felt like she was fighting another human but no pure-blood humans can push Dante around or toss motorcycles. Trish could snap Lady like a twig if she really wanted to.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Her "surprise attack" on Dante did not affected him AT all (despite the scream). He laughed at it and then with a few bullets he managed to get upper hand easily and take her down.

      Surprise attack or not, characters without superhuman strength are not able harm Dante. Trish has able to knock him across the room. Dante also didnt fight her. After she took cover from the motorcycle she ended the fight. It was also not her objective at time to take Dante out, so she didnt engage in a full on fight.

      Something like 5 Hell Prides took Dante in a sneak attack and he shrugged it off, and kicked their butts with their own weapons while the were still impaled in his body. This didnt happen when Trish hit him with her lightning.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      She had to resort to once again.. a sneak attack during his battle with Nightmare.. and once Nightmare was done, she was done.

      Using sneak attacks doesnt mean she is weak. She couldnt open the barrier Her attack was strong enough to bring him to the ground. She is a legit threat to him at that point. DMC1 Trish's strength is comparible to DMC1 Dante.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Summoning a giant thunder from the sky is Alastor ability that was shown in cutscene, so that would be a minor upgrade.

      When Trish teleports she can do so in a bolt of lightning from the sky so minor upgrade.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      However that was not my point, my point is that even if Alastor is not capable of doing something and neither is Trish... By combining their powers they might be able to do wayyy more stuff that they couldnt achieve normally. Thunder wave of energy or force field, etc... just examples.

      These are suppositions you have and there is no evidence that matching character and weapons elements enhances the users abilities in the way you suggest.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Another thing to bring up is...

      Trish without a weapon is, for sure, not as strong as you think she is. She doesnt have much feats to begin with (other than shocking Dante twice when he wasnt expecting it and taking down a lot of lesser demons... but hey even Soldier from DMC5 took down a few Empusas). 

      Using lots of bullets. None of the soldiers engaged demons in a melee fight.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      • Dante has one-shooted hunderds of Trishes in DMC Novel that were made by Mundus from different dimension (he was even more powerful than normal Mundus and he managed to defeat Sparda from different dimension)

      You are ignoring 2 things.

      • Mundus being more powerful doesnt necessarily mean Trish is more powerful. Also, did you read the novel? How were Dante and Vergil born if Sparda lost?
      • Dante was a whole 6 years older in Novel 2. More power, more experience.
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    • LegionZero wrote: Trish can buy/rent them from Enzo. She did it with Artemis

      She could.

      Trish could snap Lady like a twig if she really wanted to.

      That's your opinon, DMC anime and DMC 5 indicates that they're roughly equal. If you watch the fight from the anime, Trish is heavy-breathing before Dante stops it.

      Surprise attack or not, characters without superhuman strength are not able harm Dante.

      They are capable of harming him. Bullet from Lady's gun in DMC 3 managed to deal a bit of damage to him... even caused a small bleeding. This scene https://youtu.be/2MPPLrePwBU?t=1700

      After she took cover from the motorcycle she ended the fight. It was also not her objective at time to take Dante out, so she didnt engage in a full on fight.

      No, after the motorcycle exploded Trish landed on the ground and Dante pointed his gun at her and was ready to shoot. She stood not a chance in that moment. She was not in right position to fight or do anything. It was literally over for her. 

      Something like 5 Hell Prides took Dante in a sneak attack and he shrugged it off, and kicked their butts with their own weapons while the were still impaled in his body. This didnt happen when Trish hit him with her lightning.

      Of course Hell Prides are lesser demons that arent capable of dealing a lot of damage to begin with. While Trish doesnt posses that many great feats, I've stated at the start that she's for sure capable of taking down a lot of lesser demons. Same with Lady. Lady (in the custcene that showed above) managed to leave a bigger mark on his body, than 5 of them combined.

      Using sneak attacks doesnt mean she is weak. She couldnt open the barrier. Her attack was strong enough to bring him to the ground. She is a legit threat to him at that point. DMC1 Trish's strength is comparible to DMC1 Dante.

      No... she's not comparible to him at all. Sneak attack allowed her... to for sure push him to the ground and sword held him a bit longer, but once again it did literally nothing to him. He shrugged it off and took her down with few bullets. It's just like with Alastor, but alastor did more damage, while impact managed to take it down.. it really did nothing to him. I dont think that power-scalling community would agree with the statement that she's comparable to him either. Nothing indicates that. If anything, everything that happens later on, denies it.

      When Trish teleports she can do so in a bolt of lightning from the sky so minor upgrade.

      At least it's something.

      These are suppositions you have and there is no evidence that matching character and weapons elements enhances the users abilities in the way you suggest.

      Of course not, that was... like I've mentioned an example how they could give her new ablitlites with Alastor. While there's not a single evidence suggesting that she would get it... There's also nothing to deny it. That's just one of the ways they could go, since it doesnt contradict anything.

      Using lots of bullets. None of the soldiers engaged demons in a melee fight.

      That doesnt change the fact that she doesnt have much feats to begin with? Sure she can take down lesser demons with guns/swords/bare-hands... but normal soldiers can do it with just guns. Nothing indicates that she can do it with bosses.

      You are ignoring 2 things.

      • Mundus being more powerful doesnt necessarily mean Trish is more powerful. Also, did you read the novel? How were Dante and Vergil born if Sparda lost?

      About the first one... okay, it doesnt. But she for sure wasnt weaker either. And he one-shoted army of them.

      I dont how the whole:"how Dante and Vergil were born if Sparda lost" adds anything to Trish feats...

      Dante was a whole 6 years older in Novel 2. More power, more experience.

      Sure he was 6 years older and he had more power and more experience... And since he basically "One shooted" a guy on Mundus power level in DMC 2, I could agree with you that it's not a good Argument... However I forgot to mention that he was cooperating with Phantom/Griffon/Frost from that dimension... and all of them were capable of taking down a lot of alternate Trishes with ease.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      That's your opinon, DMC anime and DMC 5 indicates that they're roughly equal.

      How is it an opinion when DMC1 shows Trish capable of casually lifting and throwing motorcycles?Do you think Lady's body is stronger than a motorcycle?

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      If you watch the fight from the anime, Trish is heavy-breathing before Dante stops it.

      She was only jumping and dodging bullets and rockets a majority of the "fight." Trish also had the win at least 3 times, if she was fighting to kill.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      They are capable of harming him. Bullet from Lady's gun in DMC 3 managed to deal a bit of damage to him... even caused a small bleeding. This scene https://youtu.be/2MPPLrePwBU?t=1700

      That was taken out of context horribly. Superhuman characters cannot hurt Dante in melee combat. Trish punched kicked him across the. Trish electricuted Dante into submission twice. Dante didnt power through it, unlike the numerous bullets and blades he took throughout DMC3(except Vergil and Arkham) that he shrugged off.

      Lady is basically nothing without her guns.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      No, after the motorcycle exploded Trish landed on the ground

      She ducked for cover before it exploded.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      and Dante pointed his gun at her and was ready to shoot. She stood not a chance in that moment. She was not in right position to fight or do anything. It was literally over for her. 

      Dante walked across the room before he pointed his gun at her. Trish watched. When he pointed his gun at her she stood up and started monologing and even turned he back to him while she was still aiming at her. She really wasnt afraid of his bullets.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Lady (in the custcene that showed above) managed to leave a bigger mark on his body, than 5 of them combined.

      That is a huge exaggeration... one bullet doesnt leave bigger marked than 5, footwide blades running completely through his body

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      No... she's not comparible to him at all. Sneak attack allowed her... to for sure push him to the ground and sword held him a bit longer, but once again it did literally nothing to him. He shrugged it off and took her down with few bullets. It's just like with Alastor, but alastor did more damage, while impact managed to take it down.. it really did nothing to him.

      It did do something to him. He was literally yelling in pain and stunned/paralyzed. He hadnt recovered until she stopped

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      I dont how the whole:"how Dante and Vergil were born if Sparda lost" adds anything to Trish feats...

      This was something else. The only major difference of events in the alt. universe i was aware of was Dante dying the night Eva died.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      However I forgot to mention that he was cooperating with Phantom/Griffon/Frost from that dimension... and all of them were capable of taking down a lot of alternate Trishes with ease.

      Didnt they all end up dead? Wouldnt they also be stronger since it is 6 years later and they had been rebelling? What happened in this alt. universe doesnt matter much if we dont have a direct strength comparison to the original Trish.

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    • LegionZero wrote: How is it an opinion when DMC1 shows Trish capable of casually lifting and throwing motorcycles?Do you think Lady's body is stronger than a motorcycle?

      We're not arguing here about Trish being physically stronger than Lady. It's a fact. We're arguing that even with super strenght, she's not capable of beating her so easily and just "Breaking her like a twig" like you've stated.  Anime and DMC4SE and DMC5 makes it more clear that they're roughly equal. Even if Trish is physically stronger, and have demonic powers... she still cant beat Lady easily in hand-to-hand combat. We have seen it in anime. And before you will say "yet again" that she was going easy on her.... That's not what happened at all. She called her bitch, zapped her and commented how well she was doing. 

      LegionZero wrote:

      She was only jumping and dodging bullets and rockets a majority of the "fight." Trish also had the win at least 3 times, if she was fighting to kill.

      That doesnt change the fact that she was heavy-breathing before Dante stopped the fight.

      LegionZero: That was taken out of context horribly. Superhuman characters cannot hurt Dante in melee combat. Trish punched kicked him across the. Trish electricuted Dante into submission twice. Dante didnt power through it, unlike the numerous bullets and blades he took throughout DMC3(except Vergil and Arkham) that he shrugged off.

      You're missing a lot of content in your sentences... You're saying that characters with Superhuman strenght cannot hurt Dante in melee combat (Trish is a character with superhuman strenght according to this wiki) and then you're saying that she electricuted him into submission... So what's your point here... Trish wasnt hurting him in melee and managed to do something with thunders? Trish was hurting him in melee so she's have even more powerful abilities than Superhuman? 

      And no, it wasnt taken out of context. He was hurt, you saw him bleeding. He commented how it hurts. The red screen during the shoot even indicates that he recived damage.

      Lady is basically nothing without her guns.
      

      Apparently she can go toe-to-toe with Trish even without her guns. According to the anime.

      She ducked for cover before it exploded.

      ​​​​​Dante walked across the room before he pointed his gun at her. Trish watched. When he pointed his gun at her she stood up and started monologing and even turned he back to him while she was still aiming at her. She really wasnt afraid of his bullets.

      She was afraid of his bullets, she was not capable of fighting from the position she was in (lying on the ground). She turned her back because she knew he wouldnt shoot (due to his mother face). It's even implied in the game later on (After Nightmare boss battle) when Dante pointed her gun at her (when she was shocked and afraid ((probably felt guilty as well))... The implication is clear, Dante shooting right there could easily kill her.

      LegionZero wrote:

      That is a huge exaggeration... one bullet doesnt leave bigger marked than 5, footwide blades running completely through his body​​​​​

      It's not. Rewatch the cutscenes. After he got stabbed and got rid of the blades.. there was literally not a single wound. Yet if you'll see the cutscene with Lady, the mark is on his forehead for quite a while. It left a bigger mark, because it lasted longer.

      LegionZero wrote:

      It did do something to him. He was literally yelling in pain and stunned/paralyzed. He hadnt recovered until she stopped

      Okay I will give you that one, after rewatching the fight with Nightmare (where she was helping him) she managed to do some damage (after sneak attack) with electricity. This is something she could be given a credit for... The problem is... she managed to only hit it when Dante was either distracted or already pushed on the ground... In the anime however she had a hard time to hit Lady with it.. yet she tried. Either Trish have a terrible aim or her electricity is super slow (despite being a thunder)

      LegionZero wrote:

      This was something else. The only major difference of events in the alt. universe i was aware of was Dante dying the night Eva died.

      Once again... how this... adds anything to Trish feats...

      Legion Zero wrote:

      Didnt they all end up dead? Wouldnt they also be stronger since it is 6 years later and they had been rebelling? What happened in this alt. universe doesnt matter much if we dont have a direct strength comparison to the original Trish.

      Nothing indicates that demons can get so strong in such small amount of time. According to Novel it took some of them 2000 years (sometimes more) to get strong. The only demons that got so strong in such small time-span are hybrids... 

      Whenever they survived or not is not important, what is important is the fact that... they managed to take down a lot of Trishes.

      Doesnt matter much if we dont have a direct strength comparison to the original Trish

      Nothing indicates that she was weaker than original Trish, if anything she should be equal/a bit stronger due to having stronger creator and blade that was boosting her abilities.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      We're not arguing here about Trish being physically stronger than Lady. It's a fact. We're arguing that even with super strenght, she's not capable of beating her so easily and just "Breaking her like a twig" like you've stated.  Anime and DMC4SE and DMC5 makes it more clear that they're roughly equal. Even if Trish is physically stronger, and have demonic powers... she still cant beat Lady easily in hand-to-hand combat. We have seen it in anime. And before you will say "yet again" that she was going easy on her.... That's not what happened at all. She called her bitch, zapped her and commented how well she was doing. 

      She was going easy on her. She wasnt trying to kill her. How do you not dispute Trish's super strength yet believe that Trish was somehow not holding back against Lady in a fist fight?

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      You're missing a lot of content in your sentences... You're saying that characters with Superhuman strenght cannot hurt Dante in melee combat (Trish is a character with superhuman strenght according to this wiki) and then you're saying that she electricuted him into submission... So what's your point here... Trish wasnt hurting him in melee and managed to do something with thunders? Trish was hurting him in melee so she's have even more powerful abilities than Superhuman? 

      Trisd did hurt Dante in melee combat. She knocked him across the room, pinned him dowm with his own swod, then she hurt him some more with lightning.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      And no, it wasnt taken out of context. He was hurt, you saw him bleeding. He commented how it hurts. The red screen during the shoot even indicates that he recived damage.

      We were talking about her melee beatdown of Dante and how she punched and kicked him, knocking him across the room. Then you brought applied my statements to non-melee situations, so yes that was very much out of context.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Apparently she can go toe-to-toe with Trish even without her guns. According to the anime.

      She was holding back, not using super strength, not taking killshots. She knew who Lady was and wasnt trying to kill her.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      She was afraid of his bullets, she was not capable of fighting from the position she was in (lying on the ground).

      She could with lightning. She actually does something similar in the anime.

      She also heals from gun wounds.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      She turned her back because she knew he wouldnt shoot (due to his mother face).

      She hadnt revealed that she looked like Eva until after she turned her back to Dante and his gun.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      It's even implied in the game later on (After Nightmare boss battle) when Dante pointed her gun at her (when she was shocked and afraid ((probably felt guilty as well))... The implication is clear, Dante shooting right there could easily kill her.

      Trish survived Mundus' death beam. A few bullets wont hurt her. The two of them fighting would eventually kill her but a few shots would not.

      LegionZero wrote:

      It's not. Rewatch the cutscenes. After he got stabbed and got rid of the blades.. there was literally not a single wound. Yet if you'll see the cutscene with Lady, the mark is on his forehead for quite a while. It left a bigger mark, because it lasted longer.

      As for the headshot, the "mark" was the blood that spurted out from the initial wound, which closed instantly like all his other wound. Dante wipes that blood on the wall in the same scene.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Okay I will give you that one, after rewatching the fight with Nightmare (where she was helping him) she managed to do some damage (after sneak attack) with electricity. This is something she could be given a credit for... The problem is... she managed to only hit it when Dante was either distracted or already pushed on the ground... In the anime however she had a hard time to hit Lady with it.. yet she tried. Either Trish have a terrible aim or her electricity is super slow (despite being a thunder)

      Trish was never trying to kill Lady. Trish doesnt kill humans, at least not humans who arent evil. Lady, being a Devil Hunter, inherently means Trish isnt trying to kill her.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Once again... how this... adds anything to Trish feats...

      It was a question about the novel because that was not what happened in the story to my understanding. It has nothing to do with Trish feats.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Nothing indicates that she was weaker than original Trish, if anything she should be equal/a bit stronger due to having stronger creator and blade that was boosting her abilities.

      Speculation

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      She was going easy on her. She wasnt trying to kill her.

      Speculation with not a single proof.

      LegionZero wrote:

      How do you not dispute Trish's super strength yet believe that Trish was somehow not holding back against Lady in a fist fight?

      Her attitude and usage of lighting based attacks on Lady. Also wording like... "You bitch" and trying to beat her to pulp when she was on the ground in the act of rage.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Trisd did hurt Dante in melee combat. She knocked him across the room, pinned him dowm with his own swod, then she hurt him some more with lightning.

      Once again Legion, you're not making any sense in your sentences. Before you've said that "Superhuman characters cannot hurt Dante " yet Trish is a Superhuman character. Made up your mind or get some sleep. Maybe both.

      LegionZero wrote:

      We were talking about her melee beatdown of Dante and how she punched and kicked him, knocking him across the room. Then you brought applied my statements to non-melee situations, so yes that was very much out of context.

      Pushing someone across the room is not indication of hurting them in DMC universe. Especially since they were paralysed by thunder and couldnt move at all. Look at Beowulf (before loosing eye) punching DMC3 Dante into the ground with even bigger impact than Trish. It literally did nothing to him and Dante shrugged it off. Here's the same thing. Trish did not damaged him in any way with her punches, she caught him of guard and landed a few blows on him when he was paralysed. She paralysed him by grabbing force edge and sending electric wave. He was stunned for few seconds. Even you or me, could punch Dante that is not moving due to paralysis and throw him to the ground. That wouldnt mean that we're strong. Just that we can beat up a paralysed by thunder man. If you want an example in which Dante was affected by blows of his opponent in DMC 1, then watch first Nelo Angelo fight. His punches visibly damaged and stunned him, without whole "sneak attack and thunder shock".

      LegionZero wrote:

      She was holding back, not using super strength, not taking killshots. She knew who Lady was and wasnt trying to kill her.

      Speculation with not a single proof.

      LegionZero wrote:

      She could with lightning. She actually does something similar in the anime. She also heals from gun wounds.

      Towards slower demons/humans. Nothing indicates that she would be able to do it against Dante, if anything, it's the opposite. She only managed to hurt him due to sneak attack. Yet she missed it so many times with lady.

      She can heal. Yes. She have super strenght. Yes. She can use lighting yes. No one is denying her abilities, and even with them.. It's heavily implied in previously mentioned sources and even in non-canon sources... "Like pachinko games, crossovers, etc.) that both Trish and Lady are equal in strenght. Even if you belive that Trish was stronger, everything seems to retcon it.

      LegionZero wrote:

      She hadnt revealed that she looked like Eva until after she turned her back to Dante and his gun.

      Sure, but by slowly standing up from the floor, she tried to calm him down by saying that she's not his enemy. Then she revealed that she looks like his mother. Same thing, ensuring that he wont shoot her.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Trish survived Mundus' death beam. A few bullets wont hurt her.

      Yes she survived a death beam from Mundus, but a few bullets still will be able to hurt her. She'll regenerate but it will hurt her. She'll eventually run out of stamina and will die. Hell Lady managed to hurt her a lot in their fight. She regenerated but Lady wounded her and weakened her to the point where she was **heavy-breathing**.

      The two of them fighting would eventually kill her but a few shots would not.

      Speculation. Nothing indicates that she would be able to survive few shots.

      As for the headshot, the "mark" was the blood that spurted out from the initial wound, which closed instantly like all his other wound. Dante wipes that blood on the wall in the same scene.

      Red screen when he got shot is a strong implication that he got hurt. 

      Trish was never trying to kill Lady. Trish doesnt kill humans, at least not humans who arent evil. Lady, being a Devil Hunter, inherently means Trish isnt trying to kill her.

      We dont have any single info about Trish not killing humans tbh. That's speculation at best.

      It was a question about the novel because that was not what happened in the story to my understanding. It has nothing to do with Trish feats.

      Dante (and Phantom/Griffon/Frost from alternate dimension) were fighting a lot of Trishes (wielding Alastor like weapon) that were created by Mundus from alternate dimension.. and they were mostly one shooting them. There's not a single indication that Trish made by alternate Mundus was weaker. That's the fact.

      Speculation

      Nothing indicates that she's weaker than original timeline Trish. And that's also the fact.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Speculation with not a single proof.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      LegionZero wrote:

      She was holding back, not using super strength, not taking killshots. She knew who Lady was and wasnt trying to kill her.

      Speculation with not a single proof

      Trish knew who Lady was because she saw walk in to Devil May Cry and immediately called Dante. Everything after their initial meeting was Trish trolling her. Trish holding back:

      • Trish has super strength, she didnt use it.
      • Trish can add lightning to her melee, she didnt do that either.

      Trish not taking killshots

      • Trish had Lady on the ground, defenseless and shot her hair.
      • Trish didnt shoot lightning straight at Lady when Lady was going to stab her.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Her attitude and usage of lighting based attacks on Lady. Also wording like... "You bitch" and trying to beat her to pulp when she was on the ground in the act of rage.

      Name calling is not indicative of killer intent.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Once again Legion, you're not making any sense in your sentences. Before you've said that "Superhuman characters cannot hurt Dante " yet Trish is a Superhuman character. Made up your mind or get some sleep. Maybe both.

      My very first statement on the matter was that characters without superhuman strength, in the context of melee combat, cannot hurt Dante. I slipped up in the second response.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Pushing someone across the room is not indication of hurting them in DMC universe. Especially since they were paralysed by thunder and couldnt move at all. Look at Beowulf (before loosing eye) punching DMC3 Dante into the ground with even bigger impact than Trish.

      Speculation as to whether Beowulf hit harder than Trish did

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      It literally did nothing to him and Dante shrugged it off. Here's the same thing.

      Dante's wounds heal instantly, but that doesnt mean that he is not hurt or effected by attacks. Look at the fights with Vergil, Nelo Angelo, Arkham. No visible injuries yet Vergil beat him into uncounsciousness, Arkham stomped him and Vergil, and Nelo Angelo left him dazed and unable to fight back.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Trish did not damaged him in any way with her punches, she caught him of guard and landed a few blows on him when he was paralysed. She paralysed him by grabbing force edge and sending electric wave. He was stunned for few seconds. Even you or me, could punch Dante that is not moving due to paralysis and throw him to the ground.

      Dante was clearly moving between hits after she shocked him. If he was paralyzed in the sense that he could not move at all, then he would have went down after the fist hit, but he stood his ground and cought himself after the first strike.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      If you want an example in which Dante was affected by blows of his opponent in DMC 1, then watch first Nelo Angelo fight. His punches visibly damaged and stunned him, without whole "sneak attack and thunder shock".

      Dante's behavior and physical reactions to Nelo Angelo's strikes are almost identicle to what happened with Trish. He was grunting, stunned and knocked back by the attacks that landed. Punched and kicked backwards several feet, and was unable to recover fast enough for the next attack.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      She can heal. Yes. She have super strenght. Yes. She can use lighting yes. No one is denying her abilities, and even with them.. It's heavily implied in previously mentioned sources and even in non-canon sources... "Like pachinko games, crossovers, etc.) that both Trish and Lady are equal in strenght. Even if you belive that Trish was stronger, everything seems to retcon it.

      Pachinko games and crossovers are non-canon.

      Lady has shown no feats of strength ever. In fact, in episode 12, a demon yanked Kalina Ann away from her and then picked her up in the air. Lady had to shoot her way out of that situation. She is only able to kill demons is because of her ridiculous arsenal of firearms. There is a reason she almost never engages in melee combat.

      As shown from the anime and DMC4, she commonly needs Dante to help her with cases because she isnt able to handle them on her own. Trish has never needed Dante's help with a case

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Sure, but by slowly standing up from the floor, she tried to calm him down by saying that she's not his enemy. Then she revealed that she looks like his mother. Same thing, ensuring that he wont shoot her.

      Dante could have pulled the trigger the moment she twitched. He had no reason to hear her out because she just attacked but she got up without a care in the world.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      LegionZero wrote:

      The two of them fighting would eventually kill her but a few shots would not.

      Speculation. Nothing indicates that she would be able to survive few shots.

      Lady needs whole mags to kill lesser demons.

      Also Mundus death beam>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullets. Surviving the beam means she survives bullets easily.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      As for the headshot, the "mark" was the blood that spurted out from the initial wound, which closed instantly like all his other wound. Dante wipes that blood on the wall in the same scene.

      Red screen when he got shot is a strong implication that he got hurt.

       

      Yes he got hurt. Because the bullet peirced him, which is why needed to heal, the way he heals from anything else in the series that cuts, pierces, slices, cuts, etc etc him. All those other things make him bleed as well.

      Even Vergil bled even though he insta-healed from what would have been a bisecting slash from Dante.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Trish was never trying to kill Lady. Trish doesnt kill humans, at least not humans who arent evil. Lady, being a Devil Hunter, inherently means Trish isnt trying to kill her.

      We dont have any single info about Trish not killing humans tbh. That's speculation at best. </div> She is one of the good guys. They dont kill humans. Dante wouldnt associate with her if she did.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Nothing indicates that she's weaker than original timeline Trish. And that's also the fact.

      Alternate Trish is a completely unknown variable so they are not relevent to this discussion.

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      Trish knew who Lady was because she saw walk in to Devil May Cry and immediately called Dante. Everything after their initial meeting was Trish trolling her.

      Headcanon

      Trish holding back:

      • Trish has super strength, she didnt use it.
      • Trish can add lightning to her melee, she didnt do that either.

      Trish not taking killshots

      • Trish had Lady on the ground, defenseless and shot her hair.
      • Trish didnt shoot lightning straight at Lady when Lady was going to stab her.


      • Trish was "holding back", that's why she shoot at Lady with powered with electricity bullets at the start which Lady had to counter with her own? That's why she shoot with the wave so strong that it destroyed entire building? Yea, no.
      • Trish "has super strenght"... her biggest lifting strenght feat is the motorbike throw. Nothing above that was ever showed from her. Nothing that would alow her to break Lady in half either.
      • Trish used lighting on her guns and on Lady when she was on the ground, the power output was so big that it destroyed the roof of the church. It could have easily killed normal human, and she was pointing her hand directly at Lady. You wont tell me that she was just using a beam that was going to destroy the building but not Lady on her way.
      • Trish had Lady on the ground... And she indeed shoot her hair. Cockiness, nothing more.
      • Name calling is not indicative of killer intent... That's true. But shooting at someone's body with powered up guns without knowing the full abilities of the individual (that is a human) and then using energy blast on them (That is strong enough to destroy the roof) is enough to tell, that there was a killing intent.
      Speculation as to whether Beowulf hit harder than Trish did.

      Based on what it did to the environment. Yes, it's called power-scalling.

      Dante's wounds heal instantly, but that doesnt mean that he is not hurt or effected by attacks. Look at the fights with Vergil, Nelo Angelo, Arkham. No visible injuries yet Vergil beat him into uncounsciousness, Arkham stomped him and Vergil, and Nelo Angelo left him dazed and unable to fight back.

      So... by going with that, Lady's bullet did hurt him.

      Dante was clearly moving between hits after she shocked him. If he was paralyzed in the sense that he could not move at all, then he would have went down after the fist hit, but he stood his ground and cought himself after the first strike.

      After the first hit he took a step back, however he wasnt fighting back or even trying to protect himself. It's the safest option to say, that he simply at that moment couldnt do so due to the lasting effect of paralys that hasnt wore off yet, or Trish attacks were so weak that he simply let her hit himself. Pick your poison ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      Dante's behavior and physical reactions to Nelo Angelo's strikes are almost identicle to what happened with Trish. He was grunting, stunned and knocked back by the attacks that landed. Punched and kicked backwards several feet, and was unable to recover fast enough for the next attack.

      Yea... I am rewatching the whole Nelo Angelo's fight... and Dante is actually trying to fight in there and is loosing. In Trish fight he wasnt even fighting and he still managed to win without much trouble.

      Pachinko games and crossovers are non-canon.

      They might not be canon.. **Just like DB GT**, however they were made by Capcom and are a clear indication what the creators of the game are thinking about the characters and their power-scalling... Capcom in that case.

      Lady has shown no feats of strength ever. In fact, in episode 12, a demon yanked Kalina Ann away from her and then picked her up in the air. Lady had to shoot her way out of that situation. She is only able to kill demons is because of her ridiculous arsenal of firearms. There is a reason she almost never engages in melee combat. As shown from the anime and DMC4, she commonly needs Dante to help her with cases because she isnt able to handle them on her own. Trish has never needed Dante's help with a case Dante could have pulled the trigger the moment she twitched. He had no reason to hear her out because she just attacked but she got up without a care in the world. Lady needs whole mags to kill lesser demons.

      I think that you dont get me. I am not saying that Lady is stronger or have a better feats... Trish by far have more haxxes and techniques... Yet based on everything showcased so far, Lady seems to be capable for giving her some troubles and holding her own. The original topic of this debate was whenever Trish can take down bosses on her own without a weapon... And nothing indicates that she can. Lady (with Kalina Ann) has taken down only lesser demons and the same is with Trish. If Lady (who is capable of hurting and fighting off a while against no-weapon Trish) can be compared to Trish (and once a gain a lot of games/spin-offs does that)... then Trish by comprasion to Lady... is not capable of takind down big demons. At least not from what she and Lady has showcased so far.

      Also Mundus death beam>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullets. Surviving the beam means she survives bullets easily.

      That death beam that Dante reflected casually with his eyes, without blinking when he was a bit serious? Yea... I dunno. And dont even bring up the whole "Mundus is universal" thingy... 

      Yes he got hurt. Because the bullet peirced him, which is why needed to heal, the way he heals from anything else in the series that cuts, pierces, slices, cuts, etc etc him. All those other things make him bleed as well. Even Vergil bled even though he insta-healed from what would have been a bisecting slash from Dante.

      Thanks for admitting that he got hurt by normal bullet?

      She is one of the good guys. They dont kill humans. Dante wouldnt associate with her if she did.

      That's also headcanon. There has been never stated a single thing about Dante not killing humans. If anything Lady in DMC 3 mentioned that there are humans worse then devils.

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    • On topic of what weapons lady and Trish should get I'd say have lady track down Pandora be a one woman army as for Trish I'd say have Nico make gold bracers for Trish to absorber her lightning and make it so she can release it in a super bolt  and deal damage equivalent to Dante's real impact move

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      LegionZero wrote:

      Trish knew who Lady was because she saw walk in to Devil May Cry and immediately called Dante. Everything after their initial meeting was Trish trolling her.

      Headcanon

      Anime episode 4

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      • Trish was "holding back", that's why she shoot at Lady with powered with electricity bullets at the start which Lady had to counter with her own?

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      That's why she shoot with the wave so strong that it destroyed entire building? Yea, no.

      It didnt destroy the building, it blew hole in the roof. She didnt hit Lady even though she was at point blank range. She was trollong Lady until Dante arrived.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      • Trish "has super strenght"... her biggest lifting strenght feat is the motorbike throw. Nothing above that was ever showed from her. Nothing that would alow her to break Lady in half either.

      A motorcycle on average, is 400 lbs. The strongest bone in the human body, on average, needs 160 lbs of pressure to break.

      It really shouldnt take science to deduce that the strength needed to lift small vehicles is more than enough to break bones.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      • Trish used lighting on her guns and on Lady when she was on the ground, the power output was so big that it destroyed the roof of the church. It could have easily killed normal human, and she was pointing her hand directly at Lady. You wont tell me that she was just using a beam that was going to destroy the building but not Lady on her way.

      The lightning didnt hit Lady. She would have been fried if it did. She would have been thrown into ceiling if it did. Her clothes would have been burned off if it did.

      We have established that Trish's lightning, at minimum, can blow holes in buildings. Interesting how on the night they first "fought" Trish didnt blow holes in the rooftops Lady was standing on.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      • Trish had Lady on the ground... And she indeed shoot her hair. Cockiness, nothing more.

      She was waiting for Dante to show up so that he could explain to Lady that Trish isnt a bad guy/enemy.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Speculation as to whether Beowulf hit harder than Trish did.

      Based on what it did to the environment. Yes, it's called power-scalling.

      Accurate power-scaling would be comparing one ground punch to another.

      You cant compare the damage done because they were on different surfaces and the attacks werent directed the same way.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      So... by going with that, Lady's bullet did hurt him.

      Yes. But why does this matter? This wasnt about bullets and guns. This about melee combat.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      After the first hit he took a step back, however he wasnt fighting back or even trying to protect himself. It's the safest option to say, that he simply at that moment couldnt do so due to the lasting effect of paralys that hasnt wore off yet, or Trish attacks were so weak that he simply let her hit himself. Pick your poison ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      Or that Trish was giving him a decent challenge. And needed time to recover. It wasnt until she stopped the constant barrage to throw the motorcycle that was able to do anything to defend himself.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Yea... I am rewatching the whole Nelo Angelo's fight... and Dante is actually trying to fight in there and is loosing. In Trish fight he wasnt even fighting and he still managed to win without much trouble.

      "Win." Trish and Dante didnt see their fight through to the end. Trish casually and confidently walked around the office despite Dante holding her at gun point, showing that she wasnt afraid for her life.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      They might not be canon.. **Just like DB GT**, however they were made by Capcom and are a clear indication what the creators of the game are thinking about the characters and their power-scalling... Capcom in that case.

      Not that this is a DB discussion, but GT isnt canon. It doesnt fit in with the DBS timeline

      And no crossovers are not valid indicators of anything. They are made by different people for fan service. There is no legitimite powerscaling involved.

      The pachinko machines are not canon. They are full of randomness and scenes that dont align with the games.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      I think that you dont get me. I am not saying that Lady is stronger or have a better feats... Trish by far have more haxxes and techniques... Yet based on everything showcased so far, Lady seems to be capable for giving her some troubles and holding her own. The original topic of this debate was whenever Trish can take down bosses on her own without a weapon... And nothing indicates that she can. Lady (with Kalina Ann) has taken down only lesser demons and the same is with Trish. If Lady (who is capable of hurting and fighting off a while against no-weapon Trish) can be compared to Trish (and once a gain a lot of games/spin-offs does that)... then Trish by comprasion to Lady... is not capable of takind down big demons. At least not from what she and Lady has showcased so far.

      No i dont get you. You agree that Trish has better feats in almost every catagory, and more abilities but suggest that she is equal to Lady because of a fight where Trish was holding back so that she didnt kill Lady.

      Trish can casually throw motorcycles, but cant break Lady's bones?

      Trish can survive Mundus' death beams but not some bullets?

      Trish can smack around Dante, but not Lady?

      Lady even says she feels like shes fighting another human, but we know for a fact that Trish's capabilities in strength and durability FAR exceed that of a humans. That is proof she was holding back.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      That death beam that Dante reflected casually with his eyes, without blinking when he was a bit serious? Yea... I dunno. And dont even bring up the whole "Mundus is universal" thingy... 

      The beam that Dante deflected AFTER Sparda gave him power. The beam from a god level character who could only be beaten by power from another god level character.

      If you are going to say that bullets=/=laser death beams from god-tiers i dont know what to tell you.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Thanks for admitting that he got hurt by normal bullet?

      Never denied that bullets hurt him. They do insignificant damage, but this was never about bullets hurting. I dont know how many times i clarified that humans cant hurt Dante in melee combat.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      That's also headcanon. There has been never stated a single thing about Dante not killing humans.

      Anime episode 1

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      If anything Lady in DMC 3 mentioned that there are humans worse then devils.

      That doesnt mean they kill humans. Their job is literally to protect humans from demons. Not once did they kill a normal human, regardless of how evil they were.

      KingSteel18 wrote:

      On topic of what weapons lady and Trish should get I'd say have lady track down Pandora be a one woman army as for Trish I'd say have Nico make gold bracers for Trish to absorber her lightning and make it so she can release it in a super bolt  and deal damage equivalent to Dante's real impact move

      I dont think humans can adequately weild DA'S

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    • KingSteel18 wrote:
      On topic of what weapons lady and Trish should get I'd say have lady track down Pandora be a one woman army as for Trish I'd say have Nico make gold bracers for Trish to absorber her lightning and make it so she can release it in a super bolt  and deal damage equivalent to Dante's real impact move

      Yea... Any character with Pandora could have a really big potential regarding the weapons...

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    • LegionZero wrote:
      Anime episode 4

      Trish saw her from the building, she did not knew a thing about her. There was no way for her to know what Lady was capable of. She only saw her taking down on a motorbike, yet she started the whole thing by Firing Lighting at her... Lighting! We all know how fast this thing is.

      It didnt destroy the building, it blew hole in the roof. She didnt hit Lady even though she was at point blank range. She was trollong Lady until Dante arrived.

      "She didnt hit Lady even though she was at point blank range." That whole action didnt made sense from a logical point of view.
      Either Lady have superhuman durability... Trish possesed ability for her lighting to ignore humans and just harm "objects (since the roof was destroyed and Lady was in front of her)"... or the anime have a lot of stupidy in it. 

      It really shouldnt take science to deduce that the strength needed to lift small vehicles is more than enough to break bones.

      You say that but Trish "who was capable of lifting small vehicle" wasnt capable of breaking Lady like a "twig"... Even if you say that she was "holding back"...

      Trish was barely able to HOLD V in DMC 5. V! And when she was holding him and preventing him from falling into the ground (And dying) she was struggling a lot. She made groans as if it were causing her problems.


      The lightning didnt hit Lady. She would have been fried if it did. She would have been thrown into ceiling if it did. Her clothes would have been burned off if it did. We have established that Trish's lightning, at minimum, can blow holes in buildings. Interesting how on the night they first "fought" Trish didnt blow holes in the rooftops Lady was standing on.

      Trish is bad at strategy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      We have also established that the whole scene with roof-blowing and Lady standing in the point blank range doesnt make any sense. Trish doesnt have a single way (as we are aware) in which her lighting could somehow avoid Lady (that stands in front of her) yet destroy the roof. 
      We also know that Trish was firing bullets powered up with lighting and lighting waves at Lady during the first night, without knowing what Lady was fully capable of. Lady managed to dodge it. So either Trish lighting is super slow, or Lady have superhuman reflex and speed.
      She was waiting for Dante to show up so that he could explain to Lady that Trish isnt a bad guy/enemy.

      Any quote from Trish that states that?

      Accurate power-scaling would be comparing one ground punch to another. You cant compare the damage done because they were on different surfaces and the attacks werent directed the same way.

      I will agree with the ground punch here.... however damage done on different surfaces could be measured in this case, since DMC shop is using wooden planks. She wasnt punching him in the way Beo was, so point for you.

      Yes. But why does this matter? This wasnt about bullets and guns. This about melee combat.

      You've stated at the start that the bullets cant hurt Dante, so I am clarifying things.

      Or that Trish was giving him a decent challenge. And needed time to recover. It wasnt until she stopped the constant barrage to throw the motorcycle that was able to do anything to defend himself.

      The whole "Sneak attack" and "stun during paralyss" is more likely.

      "Win." Trish and Dante didnt see their fight through to the end. Trish casually and confidently walked around the office despite Dante holding her at gun point, showing that she wasnt afraid for her life.

      "Showing that she wasnt afraid for her life." It is your speculation.

      The fact is that Dante had her on the ground on point-blank range and she had to say that she's not his enemy.

      Not that this is a DB discussion, but GT isnt canon. It doesnt fit in with the DBS timeline

      Just wanted to throw something there, that we both can agree on.

      And no crossovers are not valid indicators of anything. They are made by different people for fan service. There is no legitimite powerscaling involved. The pachinko machines are not canon. They are full of randomness and scenes that dont align with the games.

      True, yet at the same time, they are sticking to certain facts.. regarding series.

      No i dont get you. You agree that Trish has better feats in almost every catagory, and more abilities but suggest that she is equal to Lady because of a fight where Trish was holding back so that she didnt kill Lady.

      It's more or so grounded in the newest games/anime/books/manga. Mine (and many others people in the fandom) opinion about Trish has been strongly influenced by them.
      Right now we see her as someone who is not just.. not strong. Dont get me wrong, she can take down a few lesser demons, but that's it.
      As a reason of my statement I will use example of Cavaliere Angelo on Elder Greyon.
      She was easily defeated by the weakest protagoinst (V), who also stated that he cant beat Malphas and Gilgamesh. 
      Meaning? Malphas and Gilgamesh > Cavaliere (and therefore Trish). 
      Before you say that Cavaliere is not Trish.. and is not on the same spectrum of power...
      Even Dante talks to Cavaliere and points out that it is indeed Trish. ("This clothes doesnt suit you" "I forgot how scary you are when you get angry") He even comments that she doesnt stand a chance against him.  
      Why am I bringing this up? 
      To solidify my remark that Trish wouldnt stand a chance against a lot of bosses.

      Trish can casually throw motorcycles, but cant break Lady's bones?

      Yet she can barely lift V. She shouldnt be able to break Lady's bones.

      Trish can survive Mundus' death beams but not some bullets?

      Considering how she barely surived that ONE shoot and a single bullet can wound her as well.. It's safe to assume that few bullets would be able to kill her.

      Trish can smack around Dante, but not Lady?

      Trish can smack "paralysed" Dante around. Not Lady apparently.

      Lady even says she feels like shes fighting another human, but we know for a fact that Trish's capabilities in strength and durability FAR exceed that of a humans. That is proof she was holding back.

      Or a proof that Trish is indeed not that powerful and even some humans can get to that level.

      The beam that Dante deflected AFTER Sparda gave him power. The beam from a god level character who could only be beaten by power from another god level character.

      Or.. DMC3 Vergil.. if he wasnt tired from Dante fight.
      Gods in DMC arent really that strong.

      If you are going to say that bullets=/=laser death beams from god-tiers i dont know what to tell you.

      A lot of bullets = laser from a guy who wasnt even in his final form.

      Never denied that bullets hurt him. They do insignificant damage, but this was never about bullets hurting. I dont know how many times i clarified that humans cant hurt Dante in melee combat.

      You probably made a mistake at the start stating that they cant hurt him. So I wanted to clarify it with you.

      Anime episode 1

      DMC 2. Dante was going for the kill on Arius when he was still a human.
      He hangs out with Lady that killed yet another human, her father.

      That doesnt mean they kill humans. Their job is literally to protect humans from demons. Not once did they kill a normal human, regardless of how evil they were.

      Look above
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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      LegionZero wrote:
      Anime episode 4

      Trish saw her from the building, she did not knew a thing about her. There was no way for her to know what Lady was capable of. She only saw her taking down on a motorbike, yet she started the whole thing by Firing Lighting at her... Lighting! We all know how fast this thing is.

      During their night time confrontation, there is no proof that those were kill shots. Its likely they werent since Trish doesnt kill humans. She had a plethora of opportunities to kill Lady and she didnt. Sje also watched Lady take down 3 demons so she had a decent idea what Lady is capable of.

      • She could have fired a continuous stream of lightning
      • She could have blown up the motorcycle next to Lady
      • She could have destroyed the building with Lady inside,
      • She could have shot Lady in the back/electrocuted her/thrown her off the roof but instead disarmed her.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      "She didnt hit Lady even though she was at point blank range." That whole action didnt made sense from a logical point of view.

      It does make sense because Trish was waiting for Dante to show up and explain who she was to Lady. Trish complains that Dante was late.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Either Lady have superhuman durability...

      Shown not to be the case more than once.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Trish possesed ability for her lighting to ignore humans and just harm "objects (since the roof was destroyed and Lady was in front of her)"... or the anime have a lot of stupidy in it. 

      Or the fact that Trish wasnt trying to kill Lady so she intentionally missed. Trish called Dante after her forst confrontation with Lady and knew who she was and wasnt trying to kill her.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      You say that but Trish "who was capable of lifting small vehicle" wasnt capable of breaking Lady like a "twig"... Even if you say that she was "holding back"...

      Holding back means not using the full extent of one's capabilities

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Trish was barely able to HOLD V in DMC 5. V! And when she was holding him and preventing him from falling into the ground (And dying) she was struggling a lot. She made groans as if it were causing her problems.

      She was struggling to ground herself properly to pull him up do to the earthquake happening aroumd them.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Trish is bad at strategy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      We have also established that the whole scene with roof-blowing and Lady standing in the point blank range doesnt make any sense. Trish doesnt have a single way (as we are aware) in which her lighting could somehow avoid Lady (that stands in front of her) yet destroy the roof. 
      We also know that Trish was firing bullets powered up with lighting and lighting waves at Lady during the first night, without knowing what Lady was fully capable of. Lady managed to dodge it. So either Trish lighting is super slow, or Lady have superhuman reflex and speed.

      Its called not shooting straight at Lady... her aint doesnt need to be off by miles to not hit Lady.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Any quote from Trish that states that?

      Watch episode 4 when Dante shows up to the church. There is an entire 2.5 mins of exposition.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      You've stated at the start that the bullets cant hurt Dante, so I am clarifying things.

      Never said that. But due please try and quote where i did.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      "Showing that she wasnt afraid for her life." It is your speculation.

      If you believe casually walking around when at gunpoint doesnt mean that someone isnt afraid i dont know what to tell you.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      The fact is that Dante had her on the ground on point-blank range and she had to say that she's not his enemy.

      The fact is she is a demon who knows Dante's "secret mission" who just elctrocuted the crap out of him, stabbed him, and threw a motorcycle at him. He had no reason to believe that she wasnt an enemy and could have killed her halfway through her sentence. A sentence that she didnt start until after she was up and moving and someone who Dante still had more than valid reasons not to trust and to kill on the spot.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      True, yet at the same time, they are sticking to certain facts.. regarding series.

      The pachinko machines are incredibly loose retellings.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      It's more or so grounded in the newest games/anime/books/manga. Mine (and many others people in the fandom) opinion about Trish has been strongly influenced by them.

      More grounded? Things look more realistic sure but the feats and whatnot are just as over-the-top as before.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Right now we see her as someone who is not just.. not strong. Dont get me wrong, she can take down a few lesser demons, but that's it.

      We? You are the only person ive seen legitimitely argue that Trish is equal to Lady.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      As a reason of my statement I will use example of Cavaliere Angelo on Elder Greyon.
      She was easily defeated by the weakest protagoinst (V), who also stated that he cant beat Malphas and Gilgamesh. 
      Meaning? Malphas and Gilgamesh > Cavaliere (and therefore Trish). 

      V defeated Geryon. Cavaliere didnt fight using all of his techniques and abilities. V collapsed right after. His fight with Geryon.

      V said Gilgamesh was a little more than he could take on "right now." What did he just do? Spend a lot of energy fighting Niddgog. Griffon was surprised that V was choosing not to fight Gilgamesh.

      Griffon called Malphas "more trouble" when V was healthy. It wasnt until he was weaker and dying that he was unable to fight Malphas.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Before you say that Cavaliere is not Trish.. and is not on the same spectrum of power...
      Even Dante talks to Cavaliere and points out that it is indeed Trish. ("This clothes doesnt suit you" "I forgot how scary you are when you get angry") He even comments that she doesnt stand a chance against him.  
      Why am I bringing this up? 
      To solidify my remark that Trish wouldnt stand a chance against a lot of bosses.

      Because Cavaliere cant beat Dante, Trish cant be any bosses? Last i check only God-tiers stood a chance against Dante in 5.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Or a proof that Trish is indeed not that powerful and even some humans can get to that level.

      Except we know from numerous instances that Trish more powerful than humans in every aspect. Ive already explained she wasnt fighting to kill Lady, just stall for Dante to arrive.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Considering how she barely surived that ONE shoot and a single bullet can wound her as well.. It's safe to assume that few bullets would be able to kill her.

      Watch lesser demons survive hailstorms of bullets in the anime and games. Trish is more powerful that lesser demons.

      Comparing bullets to Mundus' attacks is absurd

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      Or.. DMC3 Vergil.. if he wasnt tired from Dante fight.
      Gods in DMC arent really that strong.

      Mundus hadnt fully recovered at that time. BTN clarified that.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      DMC 2. Dante was going for the kill on Arius when he was still a human.

      The man who was wellversed in the black arts, had demonic power, killed people, attempting to become a fullblown demon, and almost opened the gate to hell? He was far from a normal human.

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:

      He hangs out with Lady that killed yet another human, her father.

      The man who was wellversed in the black arts, had demonic power, killed people, attempting/attempted/succeeded in becoming a fullblown demon, and opened the gate to hell? He was far from a normal human.

      Im going to continue this discussion on a new thread to keep this one topic

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      During their night time confrontation, there is no proof that those were kill shots. Its likely they werent since Trish doesnt kill humans. She had a plethora of opportunities to kill Lady and she didnt. Sje also watched Lady take down 3 demons so she had a decent idea what Lady is capable of.

      She could have fired a continuous stream of lightning She could have blown up the motorcycle next to Lady She could have destroyed the building with Lady inside, She could have shot Lady in the back/electrocuted her/thrown her off the roof but instead disarmed her.

      There's also not a single solid proof that she was going easy on her either. Everything you go is based on speculation about "what she could do" but she didnt. We dont have a single comment in which Trish/or anyone else stated that she was going easy on her. Not a single one.

      LegionZero wrote:

      It does make sense because Trish was waiting for Dante to show up and explain who she was to Lady. Trish complains that Dante was late.It does make sense because Trish was waiting for Dante to show up and explain who she was to Lady. Trish complains that Dante was late.

      No... It doesnt make any sense for Lady to not get hit by a thunder from her palm, yet the roof getting destroyed. You could argue that it would made sense if the thunder avoided her and it was showcased.. but it never was.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Shown not to be the case more than once.

      Then my other point seems to be more correct.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Or the fact that Trish wasnt trying to kill Lady so she intentionally missed. Trish called Dante after her forst confrontation with Lady and knew who she was and wasnt trying to kill her.

      You keep saying and saying that, but you really dont have a single proof for it. Just a speculation based on your own personal views regarding characters. Give me a solid statement from someone, anyone that Trish was not trying to kill her. Otherwise we both can take our guesses for eternity.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Holding back means not using the full extent of one's . She was struggling to ground herself properly to pull him up do to the earthquake happening aroumd them.

      Yea.. I will call this one a 100% headcanon and speculation. Even with everything that happened around them, SHE should be capable of throwing him without any troubles. Yet she can hear that she Struggles, A LOT.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Its called not shooting straight at Lady... her aint doesnt need to be off by miles to not hit Lady.

      If you rewatch that scene, the thunder went straight into the place in which Lady was. It would have hit her if it wasnt for her dodge.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Watch episode 4 when Dante shows up to the church. There is an entire 2.5 mins of exposition.

      In which Dante and Trish are stating that sometimes you have to test the true strenght of people you will work with and you dont go easy of them. And also that Lady gave Trish way more troubles than her normal quarry. So... You say that she was holding back. I say based on this that she was going all out to test everything that Lady had.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Never said that. But due please try and quote where i did.

      Here you've said this about Trish. I kinda wrote "Dante" instead of "Trish above, so my bad. "LegionZero wrote: Trish survived Mundus' death beam. A few bullets wont hurt her."

      LegionZero wrote:

      If you believe casually walking around when at gunpoint doesnt mean that someone isnt afraid i dont know what to tell you.

      You're trying to apply a humans logic to a demon. Quite frankly you dont know what to tell me in a lot of cases.

      LegionZero wrote:

      The fact is she is a demon who knows Dante's "secret mission" who just elctrocuted the crap out of him, stabbed him, and threw a motorcycle at him. He had no reason to believe that she wasnt an enemy and could have killed her halfway through her sentence. A sentence that she didnt start until after she was up and moving and someone who Dante still had more than valid reasons not to trust and to kill on the spot.

      And he could but he didnt. Why? I dunno. That's not the point.

      LegionZero wrote:

      The pachinko machines are incredibly loose retellings.

      Everything that I've said above pachinko machines/and spin-offs still stands.

      LegionZero wrote:

      More grounded? Things look more realistic sure but the feats and whatnot are just as over-the-top as before.


      • Not quite. The only feat Trish have on her own is throwing Sparda sword and struggling with holding V.
      • The biggest feat that Urizen have is the "Shaking the whole earth" according to Nico's notes... Nothing even remotely close to the infamous "creation of universe by Mundus" that is on in his description on this wiki.
      LegionZero wrote:

      We? You are the only person ive seen legitimitely argue that Trish is equal to Lady.

      Here? That might be true. However I tend to sit in a lot of websites and discord servers... You know the r/DevilMayCry twitter right? I am sitting on their discord server (can link you if you want) they currently have 5k members.. and there's a lot of people stating that Trish has been nerfed to the level of Lady due to new parts of DMC franchise.

      LegionZero wrote:

      V defeated Geryon. Cavaliere didnt fight using all of his techniques and abilities. V collapsed right after. His fight with Geryon.

      V said Gilgamesh was a little more than he could take on "right now." What did he just do? Spend a lot of energy fighting Niddgog. Griffon was surprised that V was choosing not to fight Gilgamesh.

      Griffon called Malphas "more trouble" when V was healthy. It wasnt until he was weaker and dying that he was unable to fight Malphas.

      Yet he wanted to rushed on Cavaliere before collapsing. Cavaliere on the other hand was running away. That's example that Cavaliere was afraid of loosing and V was confident in his abilities.

      You could argue that V "spend too much energy fighting Nidhogg" if he was actually ... fighting him and not his minions. There's not a single quote stating that V got tired. "Right now" could simply mean that as V, Vergil is not capable of defeating him. That's my speculation and it's just as correct as yours. Hell Griffon even comments that meeting Gilgamesh is not "good". Griffon was surprised that V was choosing not to fight Gilgamesh. But at the same time from a little exchange that we have Griffon was not certain in his

      Yet Griffon never called Cavaliere a trouble even when he was on Geyron. That's actually solidifes my argument.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Because Cavaliere cant beat Dante, Trish cant be any bosses? Last i check only God-tiers stood a chance against Dante in 5.

      Not my point at all.. my point was to showcase that Cavaliere => Trish, but okay.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Except we know from numerous instances that Trish more powerful than humans in every aspect. Ive already explained she wasnt fighting to kill Lady, just stall for Dante to arrive.

      And I've explained that while she was fighting Lady she went a bit over the top and had a real trouble. Lady was far more than what she thought she will be and she gave her a real challenge.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Watch lesser demons survive hailstorms of bullets in the anime and games. Trish is more powerful that lesser demons. Comparing bullets to Mundus' attacks is absurd

      If we're using in-game mechanics as feats... Lady can survive a fully powered up attack from Dante's rebellion in DMC 3. If we're using cutscenes from games.. in majority of them, our heroes are capable of destroying demons with one shoot.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Mundus hadnt fully recovered at that time. BTN clarified that.

      And Vergil wasnt at full strenght either. Yet BTN states that Mundus wasnt capable of fully controlling Vergil,

      LegionZero wrote:

      The man who was wellversed in the black arts, had demonic power, killed people, attempting to become a fullblown demon, and almost opened the gate to hell? He was far from a normal human. The man who was wellversed in the black arts, had demonic power, killed people, attempting/attempted/succeeded in becoming a fullblown demon, and opened the gate to hell? He was far from a normal human.

      They still were humans physically. If you're talking about not killing "good humans" then say so from the start.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Im going to continue this discussion on a new thread to keep this one topic

      okay link it.

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