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    11:59, November 17, 2019

    With DMC 5 ending and Mundus still alive I think it would be perfect if is that after the events mundus returns thanks to his followers and cultists and becoming even more powerful that Dante,Vergil,and Nero must stop him for good.

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    • Be nice to introduce a future generation of hunters. New ones to join the Sparda crew. Plus imagine if Patty was brought into the fold with V's playstyle. Can't let that be wasted.

      We need new playstyles to put into DMC!!!

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    • Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      Be nice to introduce a future generation of hunters. New ones to join the Sparda crew. Plus imagine if Patty was brought into the fold with V's playstyle. Can't let that be wasted.

      We need new playstyles to put into DMC!!!

      Yeah but wat about the villains?

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    • Gamma Venom 567 wrote:
      Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      Be nice to introduce a future generation of hunters. New ones to join the Sparda crew. Plus imagine if Patty was brought into the fold with V's playstyle. Can't let that be wasted.

      We need new playstyles to put into DMC!!!

      Yeah but wat about the villains?

      Well we need new villains to spice things up. An evil military? Bringing in the Hellfire club into it? A lost empire?

      If not involving Nero, Dante & Vergil, there's always a chance to look into Sparda in his life.

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    • Then Mundus in a later game.

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    • What about game about Trish/Lady/Nero... (maybe Lucia) in which they're back to the Mallet Island?

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      What about game about Trish/Lady/Nero... (maybe Lucia) in which they're back to the Mallet Island?

      Mundus would proably escape and get a power boost.

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    • You could always make a game about Mundus' half-human, half-demon son... Imagine him being rival to Nero. 

      Making a playable antagonist who just like Dante have an ability to turn demons into his weapons. His DT would look like mini-Mundus.

      The question is... why would Mundus even bother with making half-human son... Well... beats me.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      You could always make a game about Mundus' half-human, half-demon son... Imagine him being rival to Nero. 

      Making a playable antagonist who just like Dante have an ability to turn demons into his weapons. His DT would look like mini-Mundus.

      The question is... why would Mundus even bother with making half-human son... Well... beats me.

      Just add a power uped Mundus as the main villain already cause that sounds lame.

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    • Well Mundus is the main antagonist in that one DMC mobile game. So there's that.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      Well Mundus is the main antagonist in that one DMC mobile game. So there's that.

      I mean in the main line games having Mundus

      s half son dosen't make sense.

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    • Sparda's son has surpassed him. Mundus son could surpass him as well.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      Sparda's son has surpassed him.

      Mundus son could surpass him as well.

      Mundus dosen't have a child that is a lame idea Just Give Mundus a power boost already Mundus dosen't need children. The last time Mundus had kids was in DMC but it died.

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    • Gamma Venom 567 wrote:
      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      Sparda's son has surpassed him.

      Mundus son could surpass him as well.

      Mundus dosen't have a child that is a lame idea Just Give Mundus a power boost already Mundus dosen't need children. The last time Mundus had kids was in DMC but it died.

      You mean "DmC"!

      And yes... Mundus should return somehow as something human. We should see him in a swordfight with Nero, Dante & Vergil. Imagine a polearm as his weapon.

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    • Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      Gamma Venom 567 wrote:
      Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      Sparda's son has surpassed him.

      Mundus son could surpass him as well.

      Mundus dosen't have a child that is a lame idea Just Give Mundus a power boost already Mundus dosen't need children. The last time Mundus had kids was in DMC but it died.
      You mean "DmC"!

      And yes... Mundus should return somehow as something human. We should see him in a swordfight with Nero, Dante & Vergil. Imagine a polearm as his weapon.

      Maybe have a bishounen line and the final boss could be a mindless monster weapon that Mundus's unleashes just to spite Dante. Mundus decides to train and then becomes golden mundus.

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    • Mundus has a next of kin but Dante killed him aka Berial  Mundus I could see going into the human world to create a half breed to rival Dante.. If not that have mundus ressurect and steal the souls of weaker Dante and Vergil as they are fighting forever in the underworld they will be exhausted pretty often leaving Nero to free their souls will they be free in human world.. Plossubky but Dante would wants to retire if he failed to beat mundus but Nero does he'd be like okay its official im retired Nero get me some pizza having your soul taken really makes ya hungry have mundus make some relavence again

      And sorry bout bad typing my tablet sucks

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    • KingSteel18 wrote:

      Mundus has a next of kin but Dante killed him aka Berial

      A japanese speaker recently informed us that the japanese version of the artbook doesnt call Berial Mundus' Prince, just someone who served under him.

      KingSteel18 wrote:

      Mundus I could see going into the human world to create a half breed to rival Dante..

      This wouldnt happen. Mundus views humans as beneath him. Ants to be conquered.

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    • How about the Hellfire club creating a ritual to revive Mundus into something human-like? A way for Nero and the DMC crew to fight against?

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    • Well since Mundus was equal to Argosax... Maybe revive Argosax instead? Mundus is not dead, only sealed.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote: Well since Mundus was equal to Argosax... Maybe revive Argosax instead? Mundus is not dead, only sealed.

      Its highly implied that Mundus is actually stronger, everyone uses Mundus as the measuring stick, completely disregarding Argosax.

      I think it would be pretty cool of a demon/human merged with the remains of Argosax, overpowered a weakened Mundus and merged with him.

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    • Argosax was capable of gender change right? DMC 6 Villain... Mundus & Argosax kid :d 

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote: Argosax was capable of gender change right? DMC 6 Villain... Mundus & Argosax kid :d 

      I don't think they know each other.

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote: Well since Mundus was equal to Argosax... Maybe revive Argosax instead? Mundus is not dead, only sealed.

      Its highly implied that Mundus is actually stronger, everyone uses Mundus as the measuring stick, completely disregarding Argosax.

      I think it would be pretty cool of a demon/human merged with the remains of Argosax, overpowered a weakened Mundus and merged with him.

      Arogsax remains were destroyed so nope.

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    • Gamma Venom 567 wrote:

      Arogsax remains were destroyed so nope.

      No they werent. He was blown to bits.

      Griffon was totally vaporized but was still somehow part of Argosax. Nelo Angelo left no visible remains but the Order of the Sword used his remains in their experiments.

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      Gamma Venom 567 wrote:

      Arogsax remains were destroyed so nope.

      No they werent. He was blown to bits.

      Griffon was totally vaporized but was still somehow part of Argosax. Nelo Angelo left no visible remains but the Order of the Sword used his remains in their experiments.

      Don't see argosax fusing with Mundus though that wouldn't make sense considering that argosax is dead now while Mundus is still stuck on mallet island vault.

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    • Demons can resurrect. Hell even Nero died and resurrected according to Devil May Cry 5.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      Demons can resurrect. Hell even Nero died and resurrected according to Devil May Cry 5.

      So why not ressuret Mundus then? Have him team up the with the new villains to destroy Nero and the others and have them fuse together for the final boss? Yet Argosax wasn't ressurected and Nero did't die from what I have heard.

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    • None of the former villains have come back from the dead.

      Nero is the only one who died and came back BUT he was revived by Yamato the moment of his death.

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    • LegionZero wrote: None of the former villains have come back from the dead.

      Nero is the only one who died and came back BUT he was revived by Yamato the moment of his death.

      Last I check Mundus didn't die eithe the was sealed and Vergil somehow survived. Have Mundus team up with new villains and then have him as a sequel hook until the final game kinda like Thanos in the mcu.

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    • LegionZero wrote:
      None of the former villains have come back from the dead.

      Vergil retconned his way out :d

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    • Vergil was retconned but as of 5 it is unclear if he was considered dead. In DMC5's History of DMC it was never said that he was dead and it reveals that some of the Angelo armors need a host. The explosion could have been the armor rupturing and seperating itself from Vergil and him escaping.

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    • That was a joke.

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      Meshifuari Arimota wrote: Well since Mundus was equal to Argosax... Maybe revive Argosax instead? Mundus is not dead, only sealed.

      Its highly implied that Mundus is actually stronger, everyone uses Mundus as the measuring stick, completely disregarding Argosax.

      I know it's been a couple months since you posted, but I just heavily disagree.

      First of all, it is outright stated by official Capcom material that Argosax and Mundus are meant to be equal, with the timeline saying that DMC2 Dante has become so strong that not even a Demon King with power equal to that of Mundus can beat him (ie. Argosax).

      If I were to judge just based off of the lore itself, disregarding outside stuff, Argosax certainly feels stronger than Mundus. Mundus comes across as the deceiving/smart ruler, while Argosax in my view comes across as a literal embodiment of something primal, a force of nature given life, hence why his "Despair Embodied' name is fitting.

      The fact that DMC2 Dante effortlessly dispatched Argosax while DMC1 Dante took considerable effort and absorbing a good portion of Sparda's powers to beat Mundus does kind of make one have the impression that Mundus is stronger depending on the player - but DMC2 Dante is stated, meant and shown to be much, much more powerful, experienced and skilled than DMC1 Dante, effortlessly demolishing everything in his way and surpassing Sparda himself.

      Not only that - Argosax took Sparda + an entire clan of powerful sorcerers who had information on him to be beaten, while Mundus and his whole army were easily dispatched by Sparda alone.

      Granted that, in the latter case, Sparda was at full power, while in the former case with Argosax, Sparda only had access to like half of his power, but it all evens out, which is why I buy and am satisfied with Argo and Mundus being equal to each other. One case, Sparda only has half of his power, thus needs help from experienced sorcerers with spells to bind and weaken Argosax to defeat him and all. On the other, Sparda is in his prime and easily demolishes everything in his path.

      The reason why Mundus is the measuring stick (which is not really true - On both DMC3 and DMC4, the measuring stick of power was Sparda, who is probably stronger than both Argosax and Mundus. On DMC5, Mundus is mentioned a few times as the measuring stick for Urizen, but that's because Mundus ate the Fruit of the Qliphoth just like Urizen did, so it'd make more sense to compare Mundus to him due to their similar circumstances. Mentioning Argosax would make no sense. And, on DMC1..Mundus is the measuring stick because he is the villain of that game, just like Argosax is the measuring stick on DMC2 because he just so happens to be the villain for that game.), is more because Dante, the protagonist, is marked by Mundus's evil deeds.

      And the DMC5 novel does use Argosax as a sort of comparison stick at times, considering Balrog, the current ruler of the Demon World after both Mundus and Argosax's demises, immediately bows down and gives up fighting Dante once he learns Dante is the guy who killed Argosax.

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    • Kepekley23 wrote:

      First of all, it is outright stated by official Capcom material that Argosax and Mundus are meant to be equal, with the timeline saying that DMC2 Dante has become so strong that not even a Demon King with power equal to that of Mundus can beat him (ie. Argosax).

      It didnt say that Argosax was equal to Mundus. It is said that Argosax strength rivals Mundus, which doesnt necessarily mean equal to.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      If I were to judge just based off of the lore itself, disregarding outside stuff, Argosax certainly feels stronger than Mundus. Mundus comes across as the deceiving/smart ruler, while Argosax in my view comes across as a literal embodiment of something primal, a force of nature given life, hence why his "Despair Embodied' name is fitting.

      Speculation.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      The fact that DMC2 Dante effortlessly dispatched Argosax while DMC1 Dante took considerable effort and absorbing a good portion of Sparda's powers to beat Mundus does kind of make one have the impression that Mundus is stronger depending on the player - but DMC2 Dante is stated, meant and shown to be much, much more powerful, experienced and skilled than DMC1 Dante, effortlessly demolishing everything in his way and surpassing Sparda himself.

      Yes Dante is stronger and more experienced/skilled. This doesnt mean that Argosax was stronger than Mundus.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      Not only that - Argosax took Sparda + an entire clan of powerful sorcerers who had information on him to be beaten, while Mundus and his whole army were easily dispatched by Sparda alone.

      A lot of speculation. There is no evidence that the clan knew how to defeat Argosax or that they were of any help to Sparda. There is no evidence that Sparda easily fought the army of Hell.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      Granted that, in the latter case, Sparda was at full power, while in the former case with Argosax, Sparda only had access to like half of his power, but it all evens out, which is why I buy and am satisfied with Argo and Mundus being equal to each other. One case, Sparda only has half of his power, thus needs help from experienced sorcerers with spells to bind and weaken Argosax to defeat him and all. On the other, Sparda is in his prime and easily demolishes everything in his path.

      Sparda gave up more than half his power after Mundus.

      How is Argosax stronger if he lost to less than half strength Sparda?

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      The reason why Mundus is the measuring stick (which is not really true - On both DMC3 and DMC4, the measuring stick of power was Sparda, who is probably stronger than both Argosax and Mundus. On DMC5, Mundus is mentioned a few times as the measuring stick for Urizen, but that's because Mundus ate the Fruit of the Qliphoth just like Urizen did, so it'd make more sense to compare Mundus to him due to their similar circumstances. Mentioning Argosax would make no sense. And, on DMC1..Mundus is the measuring stick because he is the villain of that game, just like Argosax is the measuring stick on DMC2 because he just so happens to be the villain for that game.), is more because Dante, the protagonist, is marked by Mundus's evil deeds.

      If Argosax was stronger than Mundus Urizen would be compared to him since Urizen is supposed to be stronger than everyone before him.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      And the DMC5 novel does use Argosax as a sort of comparison stick at times, considering Balrog, the current ruler of the Demon World after both Mundus and Argosax's demises, immediately bows down and gives up fighting Dante once he learns Dante is the guy who killed Argosax.

      Balrog only ruled the Fire Hell. He backed down after realizing that Dante defeated Mundus and Argosax, not just Argosax.

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    • Well I am just going to throw my two cents into this:

      Yes Dante is stronger and more experienced/skilled. This doesnt mean that Argosax was stronger than Mundus.

      After DMC 5 we are not sure if Dante is or is not stronger than Sparda... Why I am saying it? Even previous games implied that he might be stronger, isnt that right? Well lets look at his Sin DT file.

      Dante's true form. With the two swords absorbed into him, his true power has awakened.

      He can't stay in this form for long, but heck, overwhelming power doesn't have to last long to deal devastating damage.

      With the power of Sparda unleashed, there's no tellin' the strenght Dante has at his disposal. Maybe more than Sparda himself

      DMC 5 implies in the files that after transforming ino Sin DT form, Dante MIGHT be stronger than Sparda, but that might not even be the case.... Stating that Dante is or isnt stronger than Sparda at this point is just a speculation at best. After all we never got a solid statement about Dante being stronger.

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    • Um, you seem to be operating under the assumption that being "strong" is the only criteria for winning or losing a fight here.

      (Also this wa supposed to be a reply to #33)

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    • > It didnt say that Argosax was equal to Mundus. It is said that Argosax strength rivals Mundus, which doesnt necessarily mean equal to.

      No, the original Japanese text says he is equal, which is even on Argosax's page in the wiki.

      ムンドゥスと同等の力を持つ魔界の覇王 (Demon King with power equal to Mundus)

      > Yes Dante is stronger and more experienced/skilled. This doesnt mean that Argosax was stronger than Mundus.

      And I didn't say he was because of that, neither did I say Argosax was stronger than Mundus. I explicitly told you right off the bat that I believed they were equal. That was to prevent anyone from coming in and saying "Dante beat Argosax easily but struggled with Mundus!!"

      By the way, on the Volume 2 novel, which takes place before the actual DMC2, Dante beat an alternate version of Mundus which was stated to be stronger than the original in base with no effort on his part.

      > A lot of speculation. There is no evidence that the clan knew how to defeat Argosax or that they were of any help to Sparda. There is no evidence that Sparda easily fought the army of Hell.

      Except, as stated on the game's files, Sparda came in to help with the task. Even the official Guidebook states on the Lore Entry for both Dante and Lucia's disks that the Protectorate worked together with Sparda to kick the demons out of Dumary Island. The only speculation here is ignoring what's stated by the files.

      Sparda certainly defeated Mundus easily, considering Dante beat Mundus with Sparda Trigger from the Sparda Sword, even though the sword doesn't contain all of Sparda's power, as stated on DMC5 - the other swords also have significant portions of his power. So Sparda was significantly more powerful than Mundus.

      You could say "raw power isn't everything", but considering DMC1 Dante was significantly less experienced and skilled in combat than Prime Sparda and still easily beat a fully-revived Mundus through mere raw power, that would, if anything, make things worse.

      > Sparda gave up more than half his power after Mundus.

      It is stated he split his power into Sparda, Yamato, and Rebellion, so the latter two swords must also have very large portions of his power, and Sparda would have access to both of them considering he fought Argosax a few hundred years before the beginning of the series.

      > How is Argosax stronger if he lost to less than half strength Sparda?

      Lost to half-strength Sparda with help from the Vie de Marli clan.

      > If Argosax was stronger than Mundus Urizen would be compared to him since Urizen is supposed to be stronger than everyone before him.

      I said Argosax was equal to Mundus. Please don't strawman.

      > Balrog only ruled the Fire Hell. He backed down after realizing that Dante defeated Mundus and Argosax, not just Argosax.

      Berial ruled the Underworld, as stated on the artbook, so Balrog would also have.

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    • Kepekley23 wrote:

      And I didn't say he was because of that, neither did I say Argosax was stronger than Mundus. I explicitly told you right off the bat that I believed they were equal. That was to prevent anyone from coming in and saying "Dante beat Argosax easily but struggled with Mundus!!"

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      I said Argosax was equal to Mundus. Please don't strawman.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      If I were to judge just based off of the lore itself, disregarding outside stuff, Argosax certainly feels stronger than Mundus. Mundus comes across as the deceiving/smart ruler, while Argosax in my view comes across as a literal embodiment of something primal, a force of nature given life, hence why his "Despair Embodied' name is fitting.

      After that post seemed a lot like you were saying he was stronger. But ill drop this one.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      By the way, on the Volume 2 novel, which takes place before the actual DMC2, Dante beat an alternate version of Mundus which was stated to be stronger than the original in base with no effort on his part.

      Questionable as to whether or not this is canon/in continuity any more.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      Except, as stated on the game's files, Sparda came in to help with the task. Even the official Guidebook states on the Lore Entry for both Dante and Lucia's disks that the Protectorate worked together with Sparda to kick the demons out of Dumary Island. The only speculation here is ignoring what's stated by the files.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      Lost to half-strength Sparda with help from the Vie de Marli clan.

      The game files said they called Sparda for help and the enemy file said Sparda defeated him.

      Guidebooks arent canon.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      Sparda certainly defeated Mundus easily, considering Dante beat Mundus with Sparda Trigger from the Sparda Sword, even though the sword doesn't contain all of Sparda's power, as stated on DMC5 - the other swords also have significant portions of his power. So Sparda was significantly more powerful than Mundus.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      It is stated he split his power into Sparda, Yamato, and Rebellion, so the latter two swords must also have very large portions of his power, and Sparda would have access to both of them considering he fought Argosax a few hundred years before the beginning of the series.

      DMC3 says that he put the majority of his power into Force Edge. DMC5 doesnt say how much power he put into the other 2 blades. No media said the fight was easy

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      You could say "raw power isn't everything", but considering DMC1 Dante was significantly less experienced and skilled in combat than Prime Sparda and still easily beat a fully-revived Mundus through mere raw power, that would, if anything, make things worse.

      Easily? No. Dante took a fair beating in that entire fight.

      Kepekley23 wrote:

      Berial ruled the Underworld, as stated on the artbook, so Balrog would also have.

      The artbook says Berial ruled the Fire Hell in the japanese version. Berial's enemy files and Berial himself said he ruled over the Fire Hell. DMC5 promo site said Balrog was King of Fire Hell. Balrog's weapon file says Balrog was king of the Fire Hell and that Berial once ruled there. BtN also says that Balrog only had half of Hell rallying behind him.

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    • Who wants to see Vergil take Dante's place as main playable next game when he assists his son? Either in DMC6 or 7. Depends where Nero takes on an adventure of his own.

      Vergil needs to get his own weapons more, based on his specialty.

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    • I want to see a Trish/Lady game.

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    • I'd like to see a Lady and Trish spinoff game maybe have something about Lady being the only pure human to control a devil arm .. I might make a theory that involves potential of humans wielding devil arms if they are skilled enough to control it

      Example Lady with Pandora and all 666 weapons with her mastery of firearms she could draw out its full potential not to mention isn't V's cane considered a devil arm? V is mostly if not completely human with lingering demonic energy from Vergil

      hey Legion I want your take on that cause its never been stated humans can't weild devil arms this could be a topic of its own

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    • KingSteel18 wrote: I'd like to see a Lady and Trish spinoff game maybe have something about Lady being the only pure human to control a devil arm .. I might make a theory that involves potential of humans wielding devil arms if they are skilled enough to control it

      Example Lady with Pandora and all 666 weapons with her mastery of firearms she could draw out its full potential not to mention isn't V's cane considered a devil arm? V is mostly if not completely human with lingering demonic energy from Vergil

      hey Legion I want your take on that cause its never been stated humans can't weild devil arms this could be a topic of its own

      Start a new thread for it

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    • KingSteel18 wrote:
      I'd like to see a Lady and Trish spinoff game maybe have something about Lady being the only pure human to control a devil arm .. I might make a theory that involves potential of humans wielding devil arms if they are skilled enough to control it

      Example Lady with Pandora and all 666 weapons with her mastery of firearms she could draw out its full potential not to mention isn't V's cane considered a devil arm? V is mostly if not completely human with lingering demonic energy from Vergil

      hey Legion I want your take on that cause its never been stated humans can't weild devil arms this could be a topic of its own

      I think that Enzo already used a Devil Arm in CD drama, sure it possessed him in the end, but he was using it for a while.

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    • Who wants to see evil twin daughters next game? We haven't seen that yet. They can be born from another demon's line. Someone who's like the "left-hand" of Mundus. Hearing Sparda betray mankind, he/she would take it as an opportunity to take his place. Eventually, learning he gave birth to twins from a human woman, he/she would be inspired by it. Only for his/her children to join the dark side in favor of the demons.

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    • ...nobody?

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    • You guys want alot of retarded things to happen.

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    • Any chances of Dante gaining a new love interest instead of Lucia? Human? Demoness or Hybrid?

      That goes for how Vergil can earn his own Devil Sword.

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    • Considering that both Vergil and Dante are in Hell and it seems that they wont come back...  Ehhh I doubt that Dante will gain any new love interest or even end up with Lucia. Vergil doesnt need his own Devil Sword either since Yamato is basically equal to Devil Sword Dante.

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